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CARRUTHERS, BATTERS, FREESTONE

bonbridge — 2010-03-20 13:20:28Z

Seeking descendants of Aaron Gaskin Carruthers (b. 1863, Renfrew)and wife Annie Martha (nee Batters, b. Elora 1860s), and ch. Winston Ross Carruthers and Naida Freestone, Peterboro and Toronto.

Re: Penney/Forrest/ Hay/ MacKenzie

awildrose65 — 2010-03-20 12:45:40Z

Thanks so much for your input...it is not my grandmother but could be one of her relatives. She died in 1950. Will save for future reference!! thanks again!

Re: Penney/Forrest/ Hay/ MacKenzie

donnaborden1 — 2010-03-20 03:47:06Z

I found a death certificate for a Barbara Ann MacKenzie, you didn't say if you have that info about your grandmother, this lady was born in 1852. Its not clear at all so I can't make much out. I've attached it for you to see just in case its her. I noticed Roberta's post and was trying to see if I could help her since I know the area well where he family was living and found this death certificate so I thought I would post it for you.

Donna

Re: 1891 census - occupation Sailor - employer "KO"?

mgranthayes — 2010-03-19 23:23:34Z

Yes. That is him and his wife was Mary Flynn (Can't find maiden name anywhere). He died Jan 24, 1899 and she died Oct 1910. Both are buried at St. Michael's cemetery.

I have hit a brick wall trying to get back to Ireland. I have all theirkids births, marriages and death records and nothing has Mary's maiden name.The best I can find is he was from Waterford or Cork and she was from Cork on one of the kids' baptism church records.
I was hoping the employer angle might give me something new to research but all I know is that he was a mariner/sailor.
Thanks.

Re: 1891 census - occupation Sailor - employer "KO"?

kikoamoki — 2010-03-19 18:13:00Z

Was he married? There is a Maurice Flynn died Jan 24, 1898, aged 68 years and his wife Mary Flynn died October 28, 1910 aged 80 years buried in St. Michael's Cemetery, Toronto

Re: Penney/Forrest/ Hay/ MacKenzie

roberta_henton — 2010-03-19 18:08:55Z

I agree ancestry.com is rather pricey... which is why my subscription is no longer current

Most of the Canadian census however can be found on line for free http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1881/001... (for 1881) or try Google

Roberta

hoey family

The2Griffins — 2010-03-19 17:13:56Z

can anyone help with the marriage of Constance Lester Scrivens & Alexander M. Hooey - both buried in Toronto.

Also Mrs. Sydney Moses - I think daughter of above

Many thanks
Joanne

Re: 1891 census - occupation Sailor - employer "KO"?

mgranthayes — 2010-03-19 14:02:06Z

The Maurice who is 28 is his son, the bill poster.

The father's last name is spelled wrong - listed as Maurice "Flyin" and he is a sailor. The previous reply to my message made me go back and look. I see now that it says employer or wage earner and he is a wage earner. Do you the "KO" in the employer column was just a note made by a transcriber or someone?

Thanks for your help.

Re: Penney/Forrest/ Hay/ MacKenzie

awildrose65 — 2010-03-19 08:53:36Z

thanks....I am not sure about where she was born. Somewhere in the recesses of all my things, there is a little book with some info my mother wrote years ago, but I have no clue where it is. It will appear one day, after I already have found the info.
I currently do not have a membership on ancestry. I am waiting till I can better utilize it, when I have more time~~famous last words!!! I work and my husband is undergoing chemotherapy so we stay pretty busy. I just try to do a little along. The membership is kinda pricey for me!
Thanks again.

Re: Penney/Forrest/ Hay/ MacKenzie

roberta_henton — 2010-03-19 01:13:42Z

I have had a quick look through 1881 Canada census but have not found a Barbara MacKenzie with the siblings you mention.

Was Barbara Ann born in Canada or did her family emigrate from perhaps Scotland? Canadian Censuses are on line but as I have only dial up it is very slow to down load the images. Passengers coming into Canada can be found on ancestry.com

Roberta

Re: Penney/Forrest/ Hay/ MacKenzie

awildrose65 — 2010-03-19 00:35:41Z

THANKS ANYWAY!
You never know!

Re: Penney/Forrest/ Hay/ MacKenzie

roberta_henton — 2010-03-18 23:05:55Z

Sorry Barbara _ as far as I know there is no connection with my John and Susan Mackenzie in Toronto c. 1910. Their only daughter I have since discovered died at 13years.

Hope you have some success tracing your MacKenzies - sometimes info. just surfaces to give you another clue

Roberta

Re: Penney/Forrest/ Hay/ MacKenzie

awildrose65 — 2010-03-18 22:29:46Z

Looking for MacKenzie connections. My grandmother Barbara Ann was born 1868(I believe)and she had siblings Robert James, Isabella, Jesse...trying to find her connections. She was supposed to have gone to school at a convent called St Ann's(sp)? When she married, she came to Florida after living for a few years in Indianapolis. If you have any info to share, I am anxious to get some info from Canada!
There were some Symonds, who were cousins of theirs. I remember a Wilford/Wilfred.
Barbara

Re: 1891 census - occupation Sailor - employer "KO"?

satch42179 — 2010-03-18 19:27:29Z

I found the same Maurice Flinn on 1891 census.
1901 census for Maurice and Maggie Flynn, Toronto, gives his occupation as a bill ?oster. No sailor here.

Re: 1891 census - occupation Sailor - employer "KO"?

btluna — 2010-03-18 11:19:29Z

I found a Maurice FLINN, age 28, living in Toronto in 1891 with his wife Maggy and daughter Ethel but he’s a labourer. Is he your ancestor?

There’s no column in the 1891 census that asks for ‘Employer’. There are two columns that ask whether the person is an Employer or a Wage Earner.

1891 census - occupation Sailor - employer "KO"?

mgranthayes — 2010-03-18 02:44:53Z

I have found my ancestor Maurice Flynn on the Toronto census for 1891 (listed as Flinn).
He was a sailor. The column for employer says "KO" and I notice it is the same for other sailors.

Does anyone know what that stands for? I've found all I can for this ancestor in Canada and looking for anything that would help trace back to Ireland.

Re: John Burns Family

satch42179 — 2010-03-16 20:50:11Z

Ancestry. ca
Some of this you will already have.

Marriages of child/childrenof John Burns and Sarah Jane Summers.

John Edgar Burns, 33, 231 Suton St Toronto, mechanical engineer, married Irene Whittaker, 27, b Barrie, witn: Irena R Bingham of Toronto & Harry Whittaker of Toronto, 22 July 1918, Toronto, York County, Registration # 003767.b

Olive Mary Burns, 21, married Wm Arthur Jennings, 26, teacher, witn: Carl Lehmann & Irene ? both of Toronto, 29 June 1911 at house of bride's mother, Toronto York # 020823.

Sarah Jane Summers, 34, b Buffalo NY, d/o John & Jane Summers married John Burns, 49, b Newcastle England, widowed, printer, s/o Michael & Mary Burns, witn: William Burns & Mary Armstrong both of Toronto, 24 May 1882, # 013840.

1901 census Sarah is a widow but all the children are still living with her. 1911 census just John and Olive are still with her.
1901 and 1911 census on www.automatedgenealogy.com
Births are only released to 1909; marriages to 1924 and deaths to 1935.

Death:
John Burns, printer, 66 yrs, died 17 Feb 1899 of a cerebral haemorrhge, # 001519.

Don't see a death for Sarah.

John Burns Family

powellbru — 2010-03-16 19:42:20Z

Looking for info on John Burns and Sarah Jane Summers m May 24, 1882, Children were Sarah Jane b feb 23, 1884(John Burnett Digan),John Edgar May 24, 1885,William Gordon, Feb 26, 1887,(Evelyn Castleton Olive Mary Aug 9, 1889m (William Arthur Jennings). Toronto York

Re: search for family Name Zeffel (Zeffol) arround 1960

evamulder1 — 2010-03-16 19:41:47Z

Hallo I reed your message,
do you know more about someone hoe can be that?

greets eva

Re: Robert G Whiteman and Family

Lynne_Whiteman — 2010-03-14 01:04:05Z

Thanks, that's really good of you! Appreciate your help!

It's 1.00am in Scotland so off to bed!

Thanks again

Re: Robert G Whiteman and Family

donnaborden1 — 2010-03-14 00:22:16Z

Hey there, I did try the Toronto Star and Globe but didn't find anything for him so I would guess it would be in another paper closer to where he died. Good Luck

Re: Robert G Whiteman and Family

Lynne_Whiteman — 2010-03-13 23:53:34Z

Hi there,

And thank you for your help!

I certainly think this could be him, correct age and name etc. I will try and find out if there is anyway I could perhaps find an obituary for him.

This has given me hope!

Thanks again

Re: Robert G Whiteman and Family

donnaborden1 — 2010-03-13 21:36:18Z

This is close to your William Whiteman, do you think this could be one of yours? The death location was Gravenhurst, Ontario maybe someone could try and find a obit for him there I don't have access to the papers in Gravenhurst.

William H. WHITEMAN
Date Deceased: January 13, 2000

Age: 74

Service Information
Service Number: B148253

Units: Canadian Infantry Corps

Period of Service: World War 2

Legion Branch Information
Member Title:

Legion Branch: Harry Wray Branch

Location: Gravenhurst, Ontario

Re: Chernoff of Toronto

maya174 — 2010-03-13 16:17:37Z

Looked promising at first but I don't think this is relevant given the age of Rosa at that time.

Thank you for trying.

Re: Chernoff of Toronto

ELLinSpain — 2010-03-13 11:14:55Z

JUST A MAYBE

Name: Rosa Chernoff
Departure Date: 21 Mrz 1912 (21 Mar 1912)
Destination: Buenos Aires
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Age Year: 9
Gender: weiblich (Female)
Family: Household members
Relationship: Tochter (Daughter)
Residence: Michalowski,
Ethnicity/Nationality: Russland (Russian)

Ship Name: König Wilhelm II.
Shipping Line: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Ship Type: Dampfschiff
Accommodation: Zwischendeck
Ship Flag: Deutschland
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: Boulogne; Southampton; Lissabon (Lisbon); Teneriffa; Rio de Janeiro; Brasilien; La Plata
Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 243
Page: 534
Microfilm Roll Number: K_1822

WITH
Sara 32 (married)
Emilia 6
Reb..a 4

Re: Chernoff of Toronto

maya174 — 2010-03-12 21:28:20Z

I am pretty certain she would not have listed them. The reason for her name change was to hide the fact that she was born to them at all. My grandfather was apparently equally concerned that his family would also abandon them if they found out her heritage.

Thanks for your help though.

Re: Chernoff of Toronto

EileenWilson001 — 2010-03-12 21:04:44Z

You should try and contact the Registrar General of Ontario for a copy of their marriage record. As next of kin, your father can apply:

Office of the Registrar General
189 Red River Road
P.O. Box 4600
Thunder Bay, Ontario
Canada P7B 6L8

Tel: 416-325-8305
1-800-461-2156 (toll-free in Ontario)

This should give Rhoda's parents' names (if she listed them) and if she was indeed married as Carroll or Chernoff.

Re: Chernoff of Toronto

maya174 — 2010-03-12 20:55:43Z

Oh brilliant. Your good at this. I just subscribed yesterday and I am having a heck of a time filtering through the documents.

He did eventually come home at the end of the war and we have the diary he kept while there.

My dad will really enjoy having these things put together ina collection though. Again, much appreciated.

Re: Chernoff of Toronto

EileenWilson001 — 2010-03-12 20:08:35Z

Sorry, that should have been St. Clarens Avenue. Also found the following in the archives of the Toronto Star issue dated 15 September 1942:

The following are Toronto names in today's Dieppe casualty list as announced -- Missing - Royal Canadian Engineers -- DYE, Harold Forbes, sapper. B25417; Mrs. Rhoda Dye (wife), 82A Margueretta

From the issue dated 26 September 1942:

Word has been received by Mrs. Rhoda Dye, Macklem Ave., that her husband, Sapper Harold Forbes Dye, Royal Canadian Engineers, is a prisoner of war. He enlisted in September 1939, the day before Canada declared war, and went overseas in May 1940 with the 2nd Field Co., RCE. He attended Dewson Street School and Bloor Street Collegiate and worked in Timagami prior to enlisting.

Note: Timagami is likely Temagami in northern Ontario.

May 15, 1945:

Defence headquarters has issued three new lists, totalling 559 officers and other ranks freed by the Allies in Germany.....DYE, Harold Forbes, Spr; Mrs. Rhoda Dye (wife), 591 Sherbourne Street, Toronto.

Re: Robert G Whiteman and Family

Lynne_Whiteman — 2010-03-12 19:39:07Z

I certainly will do, that is fantastic! Fingers crossed I will find them somewhere!

I do love a good mystery!

kind regards

Re: Robert G Whiteman and Family

rcrawfor_32 — 2010-03-12 19:22:27Z

You could also try the National Registration File of 1940 http://www.statcan.gc.ca/bsolc/olc-cel/olc-cel?catno=93C0006... There is a fee but if they don't find the person, there is no cost.

Re: Robert G Whiteman and Family

Lynne_Whiteman — 2010-03-12 19:15:21Z

Hi there,

And thank you so much for your reply. I will certainly give this a try and see if I can find anything. I will also perhaps write to W Whiteman at the address you have given me, and hope that they are perhaps connected to the family!

Many thanks again.

Re: Chernoff of Toronto

maya174 — 2010-03-12 19:11:27Z

That is her alright. This is actually brand new info for me. She had said a few things that indicated that there might be another baby but they were fragments and ramblings of memory that she revealed when she was very far gone in her disease.

Thank you for finding that. It is interesting for sure.

I would still love to find connections to the Chernoffs to extend my lineage info beyond her.

Much appreciated.

Re: Robert G Whiteman and Family

rcrawfor_32 — 2010-03-12 18:53:51Z

You could try the Toronto Public Library http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/ask_index.jsp They might be able to look the family up in a city directory or phone book. Also maybe the Toronto Branch OGS http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/ask_index.jsp can help.

There is 1 w. Whiteman in the Toronto phone book
W Whiteman
(416) 287-0122
48 Pioneer Ave
Toronto, ON M6M 5H5

Re: Chernoff of Toronto

EileenWilson001 — 2010-03-12 18:21:51Z

What was your grandfather's name? I found the death of a baby boy DYE whose mother was a Rhoda Carroll in 1934 in Toronto:

b. May 27, 1934, died 28 May 1934, aged 12 hours; cause: anencephalus; son of Harold Dye, b. Scotland, and Rhoda Carroll, b. Ontario; informant was the father, Harold Dye of 243 St. Clares Avenue, Toronto; burial in Prospect Cemetery.

Chernoff of Toronto

maya174 — 2010-03-12 17:51:38Z

I am searching for information about my grandmother. We believe she was born as Rose Marie Chernoff, around 1916. However, it is our understanding that she changed her name to Rhoda Marion Carol (or Caroll) before she married my grandfather.

She developed Alzheimer's through out her life so could not share much about the truthful story when it was revealed (at age 65) that she was not who she had always said she was.

Investigations revealed the Chernoff name and the vague story we have is that her family disowned her for dating (and eventually marrying) a man who was not Jewish.

There is also some story about her family actually coming to Canada by ship by way of Rio de Janeiro - Brazil when she was possibly only an infant.

They apparently settled in Toronto where they ran a bakery when my grandmother was a child.

Any info appreciated.

Cecil and Nellie WOOD, Toronto

btluna — 2010-03-12 13:11:28Z

I’m looking to get in touch with descendants or relatives of this couple:

Cecil WOOD and Nellie née BAILEY.

They were both born ca1893-4 (in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick) and were married in NS in 1916. They moved to Toronto, probably in the 1920s.

Their children were:
Edith (1919-1991), married names WADE and KEYES
Betty (1926- 1996), married name BRATTON
Mabel, married name RUSHBROOK
Gordon
Bill
Ken
John(Jock), died 1988, wife was Ivy

Please note I’ve already checked the Toronto Star Pages of the Past, and online people finders such as Canada411.

Robert G Whiteman and Family

Lynne_Whiteman — 2010-03-12 11:44:01Z

Hello there,

I have just discovered that an ancestor of mine left Scotland in 1928 to start a new life in Canada. With him was his wife Mary Whiteman (nee Mooney) and their children, William Henry Whiteman and Mary Mooney Whiteman. Ont he passenger list it states that they were going to an address in Toronto.

Robert Gardiner Whiteman was born in Greenock, Scotland in 1894. Not sure when his wife was born, but his children were both born in Greenock, William, 1925 and Mary 1926.

Does anyone know how I may be able to trace this family in Canada, or indeed trace any relatives that are still living?

Many thanks

Looking for James Grant "Jerry" Delville-Pratt

ruthrideout — 2010-03-08 23:44:42Z

If anyone can find this individual please let me know. He married Gertrude Elizabeth Kolb in 1958. He had a son Gerry who was killed by the family dog in May 1958. He had a daughter Honey-Lee in January 1959.

Re: Family Crypt at Mount Pleasent Cemetary (Grainger)

JenniferAllen40 — 2010-03-06 15:46:36Z

Thanks so much. My e-mail is jennifer_14@sympatico.ca.

Jen Allen

Re: Family Crypt at Mount Pleasent Cemetary (Grainger)

donnaborden1 — 2010-03-06 15:42:36Z

Hi Jen: I have the picture of the stone I can send it to you or attach it here later tonight I'm at work now until 9pm tonight but when I get home I'll attach it. I can also check for an obit for you that might help provide some information on her that might help you determine if there is a connection. Other than that I can always check for you the next time I go up there when it warms up a bit.

Donna

Re: Family Crypt at Mount Pleasent Cemetary (Grainger)

JenniferAllen40 — 2010-03-06 15:05:53Z

Yes there cpould be a connection. My Grandmother told me that her grandfather William Smith Wilson GRAINGER was buried in Mount Pleasent but thought he was placed in a Mausoleum. His wife name was Alice May HARRIS. I will ask her about the names you gave me. I am sure somewhere there is a connection. Thanks so much. Do you know how I can get further information?

Jen A

Re: Mt Pleasant Cemetery

JoEllen345 — 2010-03-05 20:24:35Z

Actually on her death certificate it states that she is married.... And that she is buried at Mt Pleasant Cemetery.

Louisa (Johnson) Garned died 5 June 1923 in Toronto and was buried 8 June 1923 in Mt Pleasant Cemetery

Thank you.

JoEllen

Re: Toronto city directories

btluna — 2010-03-05 18:15:24Z

Thank you very much, Donna!

Re: Family Crypt at Mount Pleasent Cemetary (Grainger)

donnaborden1 — 2010-03-05 17:04:28Z

I found a Fanny Eleanor Grainger wife of William Robinson McGill in the Mt. Pleasant Cemetery Mausoleum. Would that be one of them?

Donna

Re: Mt Pleasant Cemetery

donnaborden1 — 2010-03-05 16:56:52Z

Hi: Goes the certificate of death provide the full date of death because I can try and find a obit by using the full date I've tried searching with just 1923 and its not coming up with anything. The obit might confirm if her husband died prior to her which could narrow down a date of death for him. Donna

Re: Toronto city directories

donnaborden1 — 2010-03-05 16:45:33Z

Here's a link with a little info on the City Directories however it doesn't really answer your question but it has a little more on the directories I would guess that someone from the archives of Ontario would be able to answer your question, the directories are a great source of info. I've also provide you with the archives of Ontario reference e-mail they might be able to provide you with a better answer than the Toronto Reference Library I don't really find them very helpful with questions like this. Hope this helps.

Donna

http://www.toronto.ca/archives/city_directories.htm

reference@ontario.ca (Archives of Ontario e-mail)

Re: City Directory 1945 - Andrew GILLESPIE, b. 30 Jan 1908

btluna — 2010-03-03 00:22:06Z

Thank you very much for that.

I'm pretty sure that #4, Andrew J., is mine, as I have several other directory entries for him in other years.

Does 'mother Beatrice father Albert' mean he was in the same household as these people? If relationships aren't given is it possible that Beatrice was his wife?

Detroit Public Library

e_tonner — 2010-03-03 00:15:47Z

http://dplopac.detroitpubliclibrary.org/uhtbin/cgisirsi/x/x/...

City Directory 1945 - Andrew GILLESPIE, b. 30 Jan 1908

e_tonner — 2010-03-03 00:06:25Z

in 1945 there are 5 listed
1. act ser 85 Campbell
2. Andrew A Bell empl
3. Andrew J CNR empl
4. Andrew J Machinist John Inglis (mother Beatrice, father Albert)
5. Andrew M Plumbing & Heating contractor

You can eliminate some of them by 48 only 3 remain #5 is at Wilfong & Ince as an installer, living at 220 Millwood - within walking distance Sangamo Electric in Leaside but he is not listed as an employee of that company.
It is tough with such a common name.