Hi

My Patrick was tried at Limerick in 1822, he may have been married in Ireland. However, he married Johanna Elliott, the daughter of Edward Elliott, convict from Limerick, at Wollongong in 1829. The two men may have knwon each other in Limerick as they were both tried for rebellion. Patrick and Johanna had 3 children when he drowned in 1836 off the coast of Wollongong.

Unless the girl was a daughter from a marriage in Ireland - I don't think they are related. There was another Patrick Lysaght, convict.

Cheers
Joanne

I'm doing an assignment on a convict, John Granger/Grainger, and am unable to find details about his crime/s. He was transported to NSW on the Mangles (2) 1822. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rebekah.

Hi Rebekah

I did a Google with his name and the ship and came up with a lot - if you do the same you may be abel to contact some of the researchers:
" Hi
> I am a descendent of John Grainger who was transported from Ireland on the
Mangles (2) which arrived November 1822. John was tried, with 20 other
males, for attacking the British Army in West Cork. He and 7 others were put
on board the Mangles, eight were found not guilty and 4 were hanged.
Anyone interested in more info and a photo of the Irish monument erected in
their honour.
> Anne Case"

If you are not already a member you should join AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS and post your request, they will be able to help.

Good luck

Joanne

Thanks a lot Joanne! I appreciate you're help!

Rebekah.

Hi Rebekah,

I was just reading your post regarding John Grainger/Granger and was wondering what assignment you're doing. We're descendants of his and I'd just started my research when I came across your posting. I'd be interested in getting in touch.

Hope to hear from you.

Regards,
Marina Grainger

I am also interested in Hugh O'Donnell and James Fitzpatrick. Would really appreciate any information on them. My particular ancestor who came on the same ship Mangles 2 in 1822 was Edward Markham. I have plenty of info on him.

Hello Markham

This is all I have on Patrick Lysaght and some may apply to your men:
Patrick Lysaght was tried at the Special Sessions at Limerick under the Isurrection Act of 1822:

Held at Rathkeale:
Rathkeale (Ráth Caola in Irish) is a town in west County Limerick, Ireland, between Croagh and Newcastlewest. It is located 30 km (18 mi) southwest of Limerick city on the N21 road to Tralee, and lies on the River Deel. Rathkeale has a significant Irish Traveller population.

Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathkeale

The court-house, in the Square, is a neat stone building, and the bridewell, a substantial one, beneath it. Petty sessions are held every alternate Thursday, and quarter sessions in January, April, July and October.
SLATER'S DIRECTORY OF IRELAND - 1846
http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/1846rathkeale.htm
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In April 1822, John and 49 other Irishmen were convicted at a Special Sessions in Limerick under The Insurrection Act to 7 years transportation. He arrived in Sydney on the "Mangles" 8 Nov 1822. A number of other convicted at the same time bought land in the Milburn Creek area where John settled. All convicts landed from the "Mangles" were dispatched into the charge of the Resident Magistrate at Parramatta."
JOHN NEVILLE

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~yewenyi/3/6382.htm
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THE
STATUTES at Large, & c.
Anno Regni GEORGII IV, Britanniarum Regis
Tertio.
‘At the Parliament begun and holden at Westminster, the Twenty first Day of April, Anno Domini 1820, in the First Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord GEORGE the Fourth, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, King. Defender of the Faith; and from thence continued, by several Prorogations, to the Fifth Day of February 1822, being the Third Session of the Seventh Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.’

.......Persons adjudged to be transported, may be sent to any Gaol in Ireland.
XVI. And be it further enacted, That it shall and may be lawful for the said Court, after adjudging any Person to be transported as aforesaid, immediately on such Adjudication to order and cause such Person so adjudged to be transmitted out of the County, if such Court shall think proper, to any other Gaol in Ireland, there to remain until he or they shall be removed and transported pursuant to the said Adjudication

Source: http://members.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/acts/insurrection_act_1822...
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PTo His Excellency Richard Marquis Wellesley Lord Lieut. General and General Governor of Ireland etc etc

The General and Most Humble petition and……. Of the County Limerick …such as was tried and found Guilty under the jurisdiction ….

Most Humbly and Respectfully ….that your Excellency ….is not Guilty of any ……..committed in the County as will appear to your Excellency by their …..and also by an enquiry of the County Magistrates. Your Excellency …………………….

May it please your Excellency to Grant……your most favourable Pardon and not suffer them to be banished from their Native Country and from their most Distressed families.


…………


and if any ….have been …..in the /county that they will have them given up to the neighbouring Magistrate ….. will enter any bail requisite for their future


Page 1

Prisoner June/22

30 Men Convicted
Under Insurrection Act
Co Limerick


To His Excellency Richard Marquis Wellesley
Lord Lieutenant Gen.l and General Governor
Of Ireland etc etc etc

Dublin Castle

Page 3

Future conduct and good behaviour would ask his Majesty’s Subjects ….. with your most Serious Consideration and …. As in duty bound with ever ….


Patrick Lysaght (with 29 other names)
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oh you people are great.

my interest is in james spirin. his name is spelled various ways. a number of people are researching limeirck families named sperin/speerin/spearin/speiran and various other spellings. all Limerick SPE families are connected.

for your benefit, i have tried to compare my known list of baptism and marriage witnesses for all my limerick spearins in all the various parishes as well as the tithe applotments where my family branches were in the 1820s.

it seems that one poster's assertion that these people were from croagh is correct.

i have very good matches for several surnames on the 1822 insurrection list that suggest these people were from either croagh, patrickswell or ballingarry limerick.

n 1824 a william sperin of croagh was sent to australia also on the ship asia.

http://www.irishmidlandsancestry.com/content/offaly/communit... is good background to the times and the Insurrection Act.
James Sperin (sic) on the Mangles Indent was 28; Convicted in Co Limerick at Special Sessions (i.e. Insurrection Act); for "Offence under the Insurrection Act; 7 yrs; Native Place Co Limerick; calling Ploughman. On arrival he was assigned to Thomas Chaseling, Portland Head Windsor (agricultural outside Sydney).

Dublin Freeman's Journal of 21 Mar 1822 covered seven trials incl Jim.
"The Court observed that this prisonerhad the benefit of acquittal in point of law on his first trial; but the prisoner was found absent on the second night from his dwelling, and that he had come wqithin the letter of the law. The prisoner had come from a neighbourhood from whence he might have derived the benefit of a good character; yet not an individual was produced to exculpate the prisoner from the charge preferred against him. He was therefore a fit object to be transported for seven years."

The Sydney Morning Herald of Monday April 18, 1831 has Govt Notice :
To Be Constables….James Sperin, per Mangles (2) from 11th ultimo.

The name Sperin or any derivatives does not/not appear in Catholic Croagh Church records of Baptisms/marriages 1837-1900.

That was very nice of you to submit that link and iformation to me. thank you.