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Re: Free Look on Convicts

vincentHRD1948 — 2009-11-07 07:25:56Z

Thanks, please send the William WALL info to

Vincent.1948@gmail.com

Much appreciated
Fae

Re: Free Look on Convicts

Katkinkate — 2009-11-07 02:52:35Z

Thank you, Vicki. I've seen the stillborn notice. I'll check out the land records and insolvency stuff in more detail and the guy on the Daphne. I'm thinking of getting the death certificates for 3 possible Thomas Joneses who died around 1900 (expensive!!). I know he died before 1903 because his wife died then and she was living alone (I assumed a widow) when she went (unless she was divorsed!), so the one who died in 1911 is probably not mine (but I'll check further). Thanks for your help. I've got a bit to go on with now.

Regards,
Kate.

Kenny Convicted 1791 Co. Carlow

sarahekenny — 2009-11-07 01:59:54Z

John and James Kenny (B. 1770 and 1771 respectively) were tried in Co. Carlow in 1791 for robbery and sentenced to 7 years in Australia. They were aboard the Boddingtons in 1793 and served their time in NSW. Both were strong Catholics and advertised to the running of a catholic school in The Rocks, Sydney. John was hung in Parramatta, NSW in 1807 for murder. James started a school in Windsor, NSW and had a family. James married Alice Bird in 1811 at St Matthews Church, Windsor and died in 1843 at Inveralochry/Goulburn/Glen Kenny, NSW. James was a constable and had an understanding of the law.

I would love to hear from anyone with information about the family in Ireland, as after years of searching I still can't confirm the birth place or family of John and James.

Thank you!

Re: James Tout convict arrived 1827 prince regent I

Genieaddict71 — 2009-11-06 22:55:29Z

According to NSW bdm website there is a death record for a James TOUT

Reg no: 2524/1859
Surname: TOUT
First Name: James
Father's first Name: Thomas
Mother's first name: Florence
District: Binalong

here is a link to a cemetery headstone I found for a James TOUT.

http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=3253628

The information I have found is readily on the web and will need further investigation to know whether it is your James TOUT. Hope this info is helpful
Genie
Australia
member of "Genealogy Connections"

Re: James Tout convict arrived 1827 prince regent I

Genieaddict71 — 2009-11-06 22:43:01Z

I have found some children born to parents (James & Eliza TOUT) not sure if it is your James

NSW bdm website
1841 TOUT George
1843 TOUT Thomas
1846 TOUT James
1848 TOUT John

Re: James Tout convict arrived 1827 prince regent I

Genieaddict71 — 2009-11-06 22:13:27Z

Thought I'd check the 1828 census report. It says the following. (hopefully we can map his footsteps of where he went)..

Ref: T1032
First Name: James
Surname: Tout
Age: 20 years
Sentence: 14 yrs
Free/Bond: Conditional Pardon
Ship Arrival: Prince REgent
Year: 1827
Religion: Protestant
Occupation: Servant
Other Person: John Browne
Place: Minto

Re: Free Look on Convicts

Sad_Mushroom — 2009-11-06 04:46:54Z

hehehe,,no worries,,,
thanks for not being mad at me jumping in..

Re: Free Look on Convicts

vincentHRD1948 — 2009-11-06 04:09:07Z

yes pls
thnx

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-11-06 03:44:47Z

So far the only thing i have found is the following. Please let me know if anything rings a bell that you might have seen or heard in your family history.
I have found a Thomas Jones age 24 from Aberayron Wales. He was on board the Daphne in Dec 1860.
I have also found quite a number of Insolvency and land records for Thomas in Brisbane Area.
I also found this as well.
1 May 1863 Stillborn male to a Mrs Thomas Jones of Kangaroo Point,qld.
Also a Thomas Jones Died in 1911 aged 73 years born in Wales. This could be your Thomas.

Take care
Vicki

Re: Free Look on Convicts

connections125 — 2009-11-06 03:39:58Z

Hello. Thank you for your offer.
I am looking for any info on Francis Coughlin (may be spelled differently) born Ireland abt 1815. Arrived 1934 Parmelia 2, sentence 7 years for vagrancy. Sent to work on Capt Clarke's farm. Applied to marry Anne Cale in 1941, Patricks Plains - (2 years later Anne Cale applied to marry Patrick Simpson, West Maitland). Thankyou

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-11-06 02:29:15Z

I have been able to find info on your William Wall. Would you like me to sent it to your email addy.

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-11-06 02:21:56Z

Thank you Sad Mushroom

Re: Free Look on Convicts

Sad_Mushroom — 2009-11-06 01:46:44Z

Hi Susan,
Your Edward CAINS is listed as CAINES on
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11

If you follow all the highlighted links you can even view original conduct records etc.

Also check on the left for Convicts application to marry,,,and all the other links under 'name indexes'

Kellie

Re: My Family Tree Website & Convict CD Database

Sad_Mushroom — 2009-11-06 01:31:05Z

Hi,
I am not Emma,,hehehe,,just popping in to say most of Australias convict info is online now.

Tasmania has some info at
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11

NSW State Records
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/ (under family history or indexes online)

NSW BDM
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm

Queensland has a convict database
http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/info/fh/convicts

QLD BDM
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

If you google autsralian convicts many other sites will come up with various information, including shipping etc.

Also Ancestry has a major section covered for convicts,,,,where convcited,,where sent and even what they did until their time was served.

Kellie

Re: Free Look on Convicts

vincentHRD1948 — 2009-11-06 00:24:01Z

Thanks,

I am looking for trial info on William WALL arrived on Alexander 26/1/1788.

Tried in Oxford March 8th 1786.

Don't know the crime / sentence.
Don't know his wife.

In Australia he had children with Grace Brown.
He may have returned to UK circa. 1819.

Any info would help

Fae

Re: My Family Tree Website & Convict CD Database

BFNC427 — 2009-11-05 15:46:09Z

Hello Emmma,

I wonder if you still have the convict CD database and if you would be kind enough to look for six Bryant brothers who were supposedly sent to Australia for sabotaging papermaking machinery during the Industrial Revolution. They were opposed to mechanization, preferred hand making paper. Their names were Joshua, George, Daniel, Gabriel, Alfred and Henry V. They were born from 1827-1847 in England (Buckinghamshire, Hampshire and Yorkshire Co.) Any help would be greatly appreciated as I live in the US. Thank you!

Re: Free Look on Convicts

Katkinkate — 2009-11-05 14:59:56Z

Sorry, I've not yet found a date of death, but he was born 1832ish in Cardiganshire, Wales (he was 31 when his son was born in 1863) and was married in 1861 in Brisbane. So he arrived in Australia somewhere in between. Sorry, I've hit a brick wall with him. Oh and he was a Roman Catholic.

Re: Esther Boraston

Sad_Mushroom — 2009-11-05 04:58:15Z

Hiya,
Esther was sentenced to 10years on 4th March 1844.

I would think she may be 20yo Hester Boraston (listed as Beraston)living with 20yo Eliza Boraston in the 1841 census
Brightwell Baldwin, Oxfordshire (states they were not born in that county)

Kellie

Re: My Family Tree Website & Convict CD Database

mossvale1959 — 2009-10-30 08:33:14Z

Hi Emma, thanks for the offer.
Are you able to find any Millers,Johnstones or Johnsons on any of the convict lists to Tasmania? Sorry but I dont have dates or any christian names
Cheers

Re: Convict Ancestors?

mossvale1959 — 2009-10-30 08:24:10Z

Hi sarah
simon clarkson freebody and ann walls are ancestors of mine too...and the monaropioneers site quoted by corahlf does have a lot of information

Re: 1828 Look Ups

mossvale1959 — 2009-10-30 06:11:11Z

Hi, thanks for the offer.
Can you find a GEORGE CULLEN possibly Parramatta area
also a JOHANNA/JOHANNAH WALTER or PRESTON or CULLEN in the same area?
Cheers
Mossvale

Re: Free Look on Convicts

LesleyUebel — 2009-10-30 04:45:53Z

James Barron arrived per the Norfolk in 1837. Mary Foot who arrived on the Planter in 1839 requested permission to marry James and this was approved.

Regards
Lesley

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-10-30 00:30:18Z

Not a problem. I will start this weekend for you.

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-10-30 00:28:46Z

You must be in luck,i have just sent away for a whole heap of books,Cd's on the Norwa Pioneers and people living in that area pre to 1900. They should be arriving anyday. But i will make a start over the weekend for you.

Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-10-28 00:50:52Z

Iam offering my free service, for any one wishing to find Pioneer or convict families from 1788 and onwards.
Post here or to vma53173@bigpond.net.au

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-11-05 04:27:11Z

Hi
I have found a John Hailey who married a Martha Fox in NSW in 1856 in Concord,i have also found a John Hailey died 1902 in Goulburn,i have been unable to find a Joshua Hailey in all states of Australia with the BDM's.
I did find a Joshua Hailey was convicted of Larceny in Hertfordshire in 1820 and was put in jail for 7 days.
And also again in 1825 in Hertfordshire for "Offence against the Game Laws" and was put in jail for 1 year.
I hope this might help.
I will look for Edward Cains for you.

Take care
Vicki

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-11-04 23:52:08Z

hi
Just wondering,do u have his death record,on that should have how long he had been in Australia. If so i can pin point within a certain time frame.

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-11-01 00:45:47Z

I have had a look and found the same info that you seen to have. I also looked at my 1841 census and could find no James Barron as well. But as mentioned before, i hope to receive the books and CD's on the Norwa area in the next week or two, and that should have the info that you are looking for. I will let you know as soon as i find them.

Take care
Vicki

Re: Free Look on Convicts

northline — 2009-11-01 00:04:44Z

I have tried to find this Charles Wellock,and have come up to a brick wall in Australia.
But i have found a Charles Wellock, he was on the Philadelphia Passenger list.
It stated that he was born around the same time as your George and departed from Liverpool England
and arrived in America on the 29 Jul 1884 and he was listed as a Miner.
I hope this is your George that you have been trying to find.

if you would like any more help,just let me know

Take care
Vicki

Re: 1828 Look Ups

northline — 2009-10-31 23:50:33Z

I have been able to find this on George Cullen.

CULLEN George
Age 36
F/B GS Government Servant
Ship Regalia
Year 1826
S 7
R C catholic
Occuption Coachman
Employeror/ Or Remarks To H. H. McArthur
Residence Vineyard Cot Parramatta
Ref No C3196 - C3229

I always tried to a find Johanna/Johannah Walter or Preston or Cullen. I could find no one of this name.
Not sure if you have seen this website,but i have slipped this in as well.

http://www.monaropioneers.com/cullen-g.htm

Re: 1828 Look Ups

familytreekeeper1959 — 2009-11-02 06:00:41Z

Thank you for your help..very much appreciated :-)

Re - Sands/Wilson/Barnes

kaysands1 — 2009-11-05 04:54:18Z

I am looking for any info about a W H Sands, a Ann Wilson and a Joseph Barnes. W H Sands was on the Fairlie arrived in 1852. He married a Ann Wilson in Oatlands Tas 1854, but she also made an application to marry a Joseph Barnes, who had a pardon from NSW. Also any info on Clara Sophia Hart. Ann and Joseph arrived on "Sir George Seppings".
Thanking you all.

Re: Life after pardon? James Pigden

Sad_Mushroom — 2009-10-21 01:22:32Z

Hi,
Just remember to try different spellings.

From Colonial Secretary Index
PIGDON, James. Per "Minerva", 1821
1824 Jul 6
Of Terry's clearing party. On return of fines and punishments inflicted by the Bench of Evan (Reel 6023; 4/6671 p.72)

Also that they may be more than one in the colony.
There is a James PIGDON listed in VIC 1856.

A James PIGDEN did recieve a ticket of leave (seems to be yours has arrival as 1821 Minerva)

In the 1825 muster he was at Samuel Terry's. He had a Conditional Pardon (or was asking for one)

All that means is,,His Life Sentence was reduced to a 7 year sentence and he had freedom but he had to remain in the colony.

In 1828 he is at Barracks Plains working for ?Eric? Glennis/Glennie.

I cannot see him in Convict Applications to marry from 1826-1851. From NSW BDM he doesn't appear to marry or have kids.

Chances are after his pardon he just moved away to work, probably where noone knew him.

Kellie

Esther Boraston

catsmeow77777 — 2009-11-04 03:38:57Z

looking for info on Esther Boraston DOB abt 182o sentanced 1844 for theft.

Re: ANN SMITH/TREBLE NSW AUSTRALIA

colleen_wootton — 2009-11-02 03:45:11Z

Hi
I have all the information you require. However I am in the midst of moving and cannot access the file. Please be assured that as soon as I can i will send it to you. If you would care to send me your email address it will be easier. My email mycoldol@hotmail.com.
I am pleased to pass on what information I have

regards

Colleen

Re: ANN SMITH/TREBLE NSW AUSTRALIA

grunglebear1 — 2009-11-03 01:41:49Z

Elizabeth Smith Treble born abt 1782, died; 17-9-1854 Field of Mars Parramatta, buried; All Saints cemetery NSW Parramatta, married 4-2-1815 St.Phillips Sydney,NSW to Joseph Eyles my husbands ancestor.
Daughter Ann Tribles/Trebles born abt 1803, died; 18-9-1853 Parramatta,NSW, buried All saints cemetery,Parramatta,NSw.
Married; 2-6-1823 St. Johns Church Parramatta NSW to Thomas warwick born abt 1795.
One child John born; 14-3-1824. Christened 18-9-1825 St.Johns Church Parramatta.
Ann Smith Eyles partner Francis Allsop
Children
Francis b; 15-12-1825, James b; 17-1-1827, William b; 1829, Joseph b; 15-1-1831.
Ann Tribbles married; 4-3-1839 Edward Billett, Field of mars,NSw. Witnesses, John Eyles and Ann Mobbs
children, edward b; 11-4-1835, Sarah b; 22-8-1837, Mary Ann b; 17-3-1840, Ann Elizabeth b; 31-3-1843, Susan b; 16-6-1844, Elizabeth b; 16-12-1847 .
This information given to me by family history searchers for the above families.
Information for the billet family can also be found in Pioneer families of Sydney.
elizabeth was tried at Middlesex Gaol, Fourth session, No;390 on the 11th April 1810. for stealing on the 24th march, a gown value of 5 1/2 the property of Christopher Smith. Transcript from a paper in England. Given to me.
In the naotes it states taht Elizabeth was sent as a convict and arrived with her daughter Ann Tribles who was 8yrs of age.

Nsw Marriage transcription states Joseph Eyles widower married Elizabeth smith spinster .
Nsw Death registration transcription for joseph Eyles states wife's name as Elizabeth Tribble
. Informant william Eyles,son

Re: Esther Boraston

dj72green — 2009-11-04 09:36:14Z

Esther was tried at the Central Criminal Court (Old Bailey) in London, and these records are available online at http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-833-184403... What info are you after that you don't already know? I had a look at your tree and it needs a bit of attention!! I doubt that Esther's mother was born in America in 1843, and if she was giving birth to Esther around 1820, it is biologically impossible for her to be the daughter of Thomas born 1813.

You will need to check the parish registers for Pangbourn in Berkshire to confirm a baptism to these parents. Check with the Berkshire FHS for indexes, or you can order the microfilm through your local LDS family history centre or family history society. There was a marriage between a Thomas Boraston and Ann Mountford at Manchester in Lancashire in 1809.

Re: John Dowden

fiesty27 — 2009-10-24 00:40:50Z

Pansy_28

Family members who have been researching this family over the past 30 years have documented proof that this man could not be the person that you are looking for. If you search further this information is available.

There is no proof that the father was an Irish Convict?

Regards

Re: Free Look on Convicts

davidbarronau — 2009-10-29 21:28:57Z

I am looking for any information on my ggg gf James Barron who married Mary ?. Eventually settled in the Nowra area NSW, Australia. He has 3 children between 1842-51. I think he may have been a convict transported on the Norfolk but I may be wrong.

Re: Free Look on Convicts

davidbarronau — 2009-11-01 07:37:42Z

Thanks for that Vicki, from the tidbits that I have found so far it appears that James Barron "arrived per the Norfolk in 1837. Mary Foot who arrived on the Planter in 1839 requested permission to marry James and this was approved." is the one that I am chasing. Any further information would be appreciated.

Thanks again
David

Re: Joesph George Reginald Dyson

cath007 — 2009-11-01 03:41:02Z

Hi Glenn, apologies i didnt get back to you sooner. I wasnt expecting such a speedy response. I think it would be super if we could catch up so that it is easier to make connections and share info. You are clearly very passionate about your geneology and have much to share. I did see the photos of jessie...... very cool. Do you have others? i know where i can find a few pics(with the corrigans .. they have a photo of jack reid- anne's brother i believe), in fact they have more info on the Reids. I can also check in the photos my older sister is minding. The really important ones i believe are lost to us though. It might be easier to keep in touch with me via petalpower007@hotmail.com, i check my emails everyday. look forward to hearing from you soon, cheers Cath

Re: Joesph George Reginald Dyson

glenndyson60 — 2009-11-02 19:55:17Z

Hi Cath
that would be great,to catch up my mum lives in Wodonga and l'll be up there for a few days in December and over Xmas so l'll drop you a line and see if you have the time Cath Glenn

Re: Joesph George Reginald Dyson

glenndyson60 — 2009-10-25 19:24:58Z

Hi Cath
wondering whether you got my last email because l would love to know anything that l can find about relo's up that way Reids and Dysons so if you have any photo's or anything l would be greatful to know Glenn

Thomas Jones - convict from Wales

Katkinkate — 2009-11-01 09:33:04Z

I've got an ancestor, Thomas Jones, who according to my grandfather, was a convict. He told me that the family was sent out as well with him. So far I've traced back to a Thomas Jones born in Cardigan shire, Wales about 1832. He came to Moreton Bay and settled in Fortitude Valley, married Catherine Hammill from Co. Clare, Ireland (B. 1835 M. 16/12/1861) and entered a partnership in a quarry business with Stephen Hammill in Jane Street, Fortitude Valley. What I can't find and would like help with if anyone can, is which Thomas is the convict, this gentleman or his father, also called Thomas Jones (according to my granddad). I so far can find no confirmation on his parents' names. Does anyone have any more info?

Re: Free Look on Convicts

Katkinkate — 2009-11-01 15:18:40Z

Thank you for your very generous offer.

My grandfather told me one of his forefathers was a convict sentenced to 7 years and transportation to Australia. He also said that his name was Thomas Jones because the oldest boy of each generation has been Thomas forever in his family. I've managed to trace 2 generations from granddad to Thomas Jones (B. about 1832 in Cardigan Shire, Wales) who married Catherine Hammill (B. 1835-7 Co. Clare, Ireland). Tom was a miner and part owner of a quarry in Jane Street Fortitude Valley with Stephen Hammill. I haven't yet confirmed his mother's name, nor can I find when he arrived in Australia.

What I'd really like to know is, was he the convict or was it his father (and when did he come to Australia).

Thank you again for your kind offer. I hope you can find something for me.

Re: Free Look on Convicts

lizanddaviduk1 — 2009-11-01 14:13:27Z

Thanks for trying Vicky. I suspect this is not him as I know my Charles left home in 1872. However, I will take a further look in case I can find any link perhaps to another part of the family - Wellock is a fairly rare name. Thanks for trying.

Re: Free Look on Convicts

lizanddaviduk1 — 2009-10-29 09:34:13Z

Just seen your generous offer for free look-ups. I am looking for a relative of mine. Are you able to help?

I am trying to find any information about one of my ancestors. Charles left home in Gloucestershire England when he was just 14yrs old, in about 1872 and the family always believed he went to Australia. They apparently did try to find him (though I don't know how) but with no success. His parents and siblings all subsequently emigrated to the USA where they settled in Ohio whilst my branch of the family remained in England.
This is what I know of him:

Charles Wellock born in Bilston Staffordshire in 1858.
Parents William Henry Wellock & Susan Wayman (or Wyman).
Home in the 1861 + 1871 census. In 1871 he was living with his parents in East Dean Gloucestershire, England & working as a labourer in a Pit.

Any help you can give me to find what might have happened to him would be gratefully received.

Re: Free Look on Convicts

serhill — 2009-11-01 16:31:56Z

Hello,
You are bound to be very busy from such a generous offer, but if you are able could you please check on two of my relatives that were transported. I've managed to find the following:
Joshua Hailey born 1792 in Hitchin transported for life in 1832 on Mary III to NSW.
Edward Cains born 1810 in Hitchin, Hertfordshire, transported for 7 years in 1845 to VDL Tasmania.
I wondered if either remarried while they were there.
Any information would be appreciated.
Kind Regards
Susan

Re: ANN SMITH/TREBLE NSW AUSTRALIA

Elsbeth_Hardie — 2009-11-01 21:34:35Z

I am interested in the women on the convict ship Friends. I saw your post about the above and that she lived with Francis Aslop. Do you have any more information about Ann? How do you know she is the daughter of the Elizabeth Smith who came on the Friends?
Any information appreciated.

Re: ANN SMITH/TREBLE NSW AUSTRALIA

Elsbeth_Hardie — 2009-11-03 02:18:58Z

thank you