I have an ancestor, Julias Johann, b.~1833, we had always been told he was born somewhere in Germany, but the 1880 US Census lists his birthplace as Prussia. I was told that Prussia was a "germanic area". I'm not sure whether to be researching using Germany or using Prussia. Can anyone help me get started in the right direction? This is the first family member I've traced to outisde the US, so I'm kinda lost!

Thanks,

cherie'

Hi, I am also decended from Prussians
on both mother and fathers side of the
family. My Johanns are also from Prussia
which according to our old German maps
are kind of districts of Germany. Other
districts are Silesia, etc. I think you
could look under Germany and if you have
no luck, then try the more specialized
Prussia. Good luck!

Cheri, I am looking for a Johann Meloy ( named changed from Miltz) when they immigrated to US in 1913 and ended up possibly in Summerhill, Pa and then on to Revloc, Pa.
Yes, Prussia is part of Germany.


Randy Ferrari

Cherie King:
Re your research for JOHANN's from Prussia. What do you have as far as family member names? My maiden name was Johann. I know my grandfather was Herman Johann, born in Prussia, (believe year of birth was 1842) came to US. I don't know where he arrived in US. But, lived in Indiana, served in Civil War. My grandfather was 51 when my father was born, and died then my father was 3. My father died in 1975 so I have little info on my grandfather. There were several Johann's in Evansville Indiana, where grandfather and grandmother lived and died. In your search were you able to locate any church files in Germany. I think I recall my dad saying he was told family was from Hanover area in Germany. Do you have any siblings of Julias? I would appreciate any info you have which might match with my family. Joyce Heller, Waterloo, Illinois

Hi Joyce,
I haven't worked on my family history for quite a while. I will pull out what I have when I'm at home (I'm at work right now) and we can compare notes. Also, I will forward your email to my cousin, who may have more than I do. Maybe we can match up some pieces!
I'll be back in touch,
cherie' king
cherie_k@yahoo.com

Hi Joyce,

My cousin, Leonard, has forwarded me everything he has on Julias & Julias' descendants. We ave no info on siblings or parents of Julias. Would you like me to forward you what we have?

cherie'

Cheri,
Yes, I would appreciate it. Perhaps it will give me a lead of somewhere to go for more information. Since I don't even know where my grandfather's family came into the US.
Thanks for the help.
Joyce Heller

From my understanding for the research I've done anyone speaking German was considered German. Prussia at that time was expanding it's borders. Much of the area kept changing hands.
In my case, I've been researching a line that I thought it was Prussian. I recently learned that they where from Mecklenburg which was neither part Prussia or Germany. Remember, all the boarders where redrawn at the end of WWI. From most of the records I've seen so far people are listed as Germans.

These families had connections to families in Evansville IN. I have been unable to locate any of them. Is anything here at all familiar?

TKS
Margie

Johannes, Hartmann, Eyreng, Finke, Huber, Boerschig, Rice, Muller, Juden

Martin Eugene JOHANNES- settled in New Richmond Ohio outside Cincinnati Father named Michael.
born: 15 MAY 1807 in Oberelsbach Bavaria Germany d 14 May 1872 age 65
married: Mary Barbara Hartmann of Weisbach Bavaria Ger d 1 Dec 1876 age 66
brother Leopold Hartman (b 24 sep 1821 d 21 jan 1883 age 62)
married 1. Mary EYRENG in Pennsylvania fr George Eyreng
b 29 jun 1820 d 25 aug 1865
• Mary b 3/14/1850
• Anna Eugenia b 1/17/1853
• Magdalena b 10/1/1854
• All three of these children consumed by fire about midnight 5/18/1863
• Ludwig Hartmann probably connects b 1/21/1852 d 8/7/1852
• H Hartman was paullbearer at Stephen Boerschig’s funeral 24 May 1898.
2. Eva Finke 24 may 1866 by C Wiese MG Pastor of St. Peters in New Richmond OH d 19 Feb 1889 age 69
children: Eugenia Maria Anna born 16 May 1837
married Stephen Huber Boerschig of Lichtenau
Martin Eugene born 27 aug 1839 in 12th OH infantry band
married Eva Rosena Rice (b June 26 1845 d 12 9 1927)
on 7 aug 1863
Gustav born 8 aug 1842
married Barbara ? and had six children
she is buried in Oak Cemetery in Cambria County PA
they lived in German township in Cambria County PA
Albert Johns lived in Terre Haute at 115 S 17th street. At age 48 he had delusions and was arrested.
Brother in law: Adam MUELLER – not sure if he is the brother of Mary Barbara Hartman(n) or Martin Eugene JOHANNES (Johns)
Cousin: Last name Juden

Leopold Hartman operated a cooperage about 35 miles from Pittsburgh in the early 1850’s and the Johns family joined him there for awhile and then they all returned to New Richmond, OH to settle. Gustav must have returned there later in life with his wife Barbara. This family has ties to Evansville IN, St Louis MO and I think Terre Haute IN.

Kenneth W Fulton b 2/12/1922 died 12/19/1972 in Cincinnati OH Veterans hospital – mother Ruth Johns.

Any information would be appreciated.

Lemuel Johns married Mary Shaw (3NOV 1791) of Maysville Mason County KY on 20 Jan 1811 in Clermont County.

Mt Moriah Cemetery
JOHNS Catherine 1833-1923 pg76
JOHNS Estella 1881, Nov 11 infant dau of M & S Johns, 3y 4m 21d pg62
JOHNS Linda J. 1866, July 9 1892, Jan 2 wife of William S. Johns pg69
JOHNS Thomas 1835 1917

From Clermont County death records:

Lepold (sic) Hartman, age 62, died 21 Jan 1883, Bk D-2, p. 174
Eva Hartman, age 69, died 19 Feb 1889, Bk D-4, p. 113
Martin Johns, age 65, died 14 May 1872, Bk D-1, p. 74
Mary H B Johns, age 66, died 1 Dec 1876, Bk D-1, p. 150

From T P White Funeral Records:

#1820-A Hartman, (Mrs) died Mar 19, 1889

From "Monument Inscriptions ...:"

St Peters Cemetery

Rosina Johns, b. Jun 26, 1845, d. Dec 9, 1927
Martin Johns - in Band, 12 Ohio Inf

Leopold Hartmann, native of Weisbach, Bavaria, b. Sep 24, 1821, d. Jan 21, 1883
Mary, wife of L Hartmann and daughter of George Eyreng, b. Jun 29, 1820, d. Aug 25, 1865
Mary Hartmann, b. Mar 14, 1850
Anna Eugenia Hartmann, b. Jan 17, 1853
Magdalena Hartmann, b. Oct 1, 1854
About midnight, May 18, 1863, three children of Leopold and Mary Hartmann were consumed by fire

Note: all of the above are on one stone <and how sad>

Ludwig Hartmann, b. Jan 21, 1852, d. Aug 7, 1852

From "Wills, Estates & Guardianships ...:"

Leopold Hartman, Will, written Sep 1867, probated 1 Mar 1883, Will Book N, p. 341
Martin Johns, Will, written 17 Mar 1870, probated 29 Oct 1872, Will Book K, p. 476
Mary Ann Barbara Johns, Will, written 1 Dec 1876, probated 19 Dec 1876, Will Book L, p. 489

From the Clermont County marriage book:

Vol 9, p. 265, Leibold Hartman, 35, to Mrs Eva Fink, 40, 24 May 1866 by C Wiese, MG, Pastor, St Peters Church, New Richmond, Ohio
Vol 8, p. 334, Martin Johns, 24 to Rosena Rice, 18, 7 Aug 1863 (date of application - no return)
Note: I was unable to find a marriage of Stephen Borsick (sic) and Eugenia John

Contact the probate court in Batavia to order copies of the above wills and vital records. See: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maggieoh/mclermont.html

Martin and Mary John and Stephen and Eugenia Borsick (sic) were enumerated in the 21 Jun 1860 census of Ohio Twp, PO: New Richmond, p. 222. See enclosed
Leopold and Mary Hartman were enumerated in the 20 Jun 1860 census of Ohio Twp, PO: New Richmond, p. 214. See enclosed.
Note: I was unable to find either of the above families in the 1850 census.

Obits might be available in the Clermont Courier and/or Clermont Sun. These newspapers are available on microfilm at the Doris Wood library in Batavia or via interlibrary loan through the Ohio Historical Society. See: http://dbs.ohiohistory.org/newspaper/home.cfm

John Charles Tippet
johntippet@cox.net

I never thought to look this up till now...its amazing to see where your family orgianted from...
I'd love lotsa info....My Dad is now passed :(

I live in NJ and would love to know more of my history
For my boys and myself
I loved my dad like no tommorrow he passed about 5 yrs ago..My madien name is Dawn Marie Stapf...married name is Dawn Marie Kmetz..both German
Thankyou :)