Hi, I'm looking for any information on my grandfather Robert William Spaull. He was born in 1911 in Fulham, London and his father Henry Spaull.
I believe he had a sister called Cecilia and possibly Josephine and Joseph were also his siblings.
Not sure if you are still looking for information but I am trying to trace the Spaull lineage and I stumbled across this thread. Maybe we could trade some information?
Ernest Robert William Spaull was my Grandfathers Father. My Grandfathers name is Michael David Spaull. I may have some more information regarding this, I will need to speak to my grandfather.
Please let me know what information you have as this will help me GREATLY! :)
Thanks a million.
Sorry only just seen the reply. I dont think our Roberts are connected. Michael doesn't really ring any bells. What area and when were they born. Maybe we could see if they link up somehow. Do you have any other Spaull family?
sorry for the last message i clicked on the wrong key before i even finished the sentence. I live in South Africa. and I have met a josephine Spaull before she lives in Australia and she has a brother who lives in Japan. Joshepine is probably about 75 years old now. My dads name is Micheal David Spaull and his fathers name was Ernest Robert William and he also had a sister. we think that Tony and Joshepine are distant cousins to my dad. If i can get more information for you i will let you know. my Aunt who is married to my fathers brother knows a lot about the family history. the other person who posted a message was my nephew Wayne. myr bothers son. there are not to many people in Southe africa with the Spaull name. my dad is 74 years old and he came out her when he was about 15 years old on the ships. you may email my dad direct and he can help you on all the family firstname.lastname@example.org
kind regards Vanessa
If you are stillsearching for info. on Robert william Spaull
of Fulham I may be able to help. The one I have is bn. 1906 Kingston but it appears that Cecilia was bn. Fulham as was Reuben and both of these had a Hemple mother.
Henry Spaull marr. Frances K Hemple 1908 Kingston.
If this is your line I can give you quite a bit more and perhaps you can advise me on this line.I am doing a one name study.
Hi there Vanessa,
I emailed your dad today but the message was returned. I wonder if you could give me his grandfather's name? I have his mother and father as Ernest RW and Edith ME Shelton-Palmer marr. Jun. 1932 E.Preston.
Ernest RW bn. JUN 1913 Kingston, mother Cheesman but I can't find a Spaull/Cheesman marr.
I have your dad as having a sister Elizabeth and brother Ernest both older than himself.
Do you know who Ernest Edwards parents were?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Hello there, My dads name is Micheal David Spaull. He said to me that his brothers name is Ernest Robert William ...somewhere in there is the Neil because i know him as Neil Spaull. My dads birthday is on the 14 March and today he is 75 years old. We live in South Africa in johannesburg. My dad was born in England. His father died in the Japonese concentration camps when my dad was about 7 years old. He said they also lived in Malaysia for a while then they got onto the ships and came out here. He has been out here since he was about 14 or 15.when i have more information i will let you know. just curious to know if my dads mother had any siters or brothers on the shelton palmer side.
Been having a look at my files and have now located your family. Your tree runs thus.
Robert Francis Spaull, bn. 1853 London marries Mary Catherine Vaughan and they have a family of at least 10 children. Robert Francis dies in 1913 in Sumatra. Probate says he leave £208. Probate goes to his son Robert william Gladstone Spaull a bank clerk.
Another of Robert's ten children is Ernest Mayall Vaughan Spaull bn. 1884 and who marries Dorothy B Cheesman in 1910 in Kingston near where I live.
Ernest and Dorothy have 2 known children- Beryl Eileen Dorothy bn. 1911 Kingston and Ernest Robert William, bn. 1913 Kingston.
Ernest Mayall Vaughan is a 2nd Lt. Royal Horse Artillery WW1 and dies in 1918 in action. Probate says he left £68 to his widow.
Ernst Robert William his son marries Edith ME Shelton-Palmer 1932 in Sussex and they have 3 known children-
Elizabeth A bn/d 1932
Ernest Neil bn. 1934
Michael David bn. 1937.
In 1945 the ship Dominican Monarch from Australia via Aden, S Suez and Port Said arrives in England listed as having mMalay and Hong Kong Evacuees and Internees on board. On the passenger list is Edith Spaull, 30y. housewife of Christchurch, Worthing with Ernest Spaull, 11y and Michael D Spaull, 8y.
This is your dad and uncle Neil [Ernest Neil] returning to England after the death of your grandfather.
On 10/7/1944 Ernest Robert William Spaull dies in WW2. It says he was a Lt. in the Indian Engineers and he is buried in Basra War Cemetery, Iraq.
Another ships list has an index listing which says that a male Spaull bn. c1935 left London in 1951 for the Cape, SA.
Male Spaull bn.c1938 left London in 1952 for Durban, Port Natal, SA. This would appear to be your dad and his brother.
Please could you show this to your dad to see if he thinks it is correct or give me his current email so I can email direct. I have lots more for earlier members of this family.
Thank you so much for all this infomation. you have no idea how this has made me feel. Just reading this has brought tears to my eyes. and yes my dad did come over to south africa on a ship and they did live in Durban which is a coastal town.there is a big harbour there. I only new my dads aunt at Beryl. She never had kids but got married to a Jewish man who had children from another lady. My dads email adress is email@example.com
. My aunt email is firstname.lastname@example.org
. She is married to my Uncle Neil. I know it sounds silly wanting to know all about my fathers past but it nice to now where he came from,what kind of a life he had where he grew up. I know he lived in sussex for a while.You may email my dad Micheal David Spaull on the above adress and let him know of what information you have regarding his family and the past and he can confirm it.thank you for your information. do you know if my father mother which is Edith Mary had any sister or brothers. because if she did then my dad would have had cousins. Apparently she was a Shelton-Palmer. where they upper class people because the surname sounds like they where people with lots of money. My dad has just turned 75 and he has been married for 51 years. this is a life time to spend with one person and i take my hat of for him for doing that. I thought before he dies i would like to learn more about my family history. my dad did not mary a London Lady he married a lady from South africa. Her name is Vera Mildred Spaull. She had 3 kids Grant Robert, Michele Dale and me the baby Vanessa Mary. I will ask my dad if he knew where his dad was buried because the stories i heard was that he died in a concentration camp. he was captures by the japanies people. But you know he was young and you dont know what stories his mother might have told him. thank you for all the feed back. it helps a little bit. have a lovely day or night depending when this email gets read. thank you.
Two bits of information for you, Vanessa.
SPAULL E.R.W.[Ernest Robert William] born 1913 Kingston, Middlesex. To Malaya 1937. Worked for Malayan Colleries?? Married Edith Mary Shelton-Palmer. He a Selangor rugby player. L/Cpl 1330 Federated Malay States Volunteer Force. He escaped from Singapore 2.42. Arrived India. Commissioned Lt, Indian Army Engineers. Died in Iraq 10.7.44. Grave at Basra. Edith, aged 27 in 1942. Sons Ernest & Michael aged 8 & 4.
Without checking, Edith must be the daughter of
SHELTON-PALMER A.L.[Arthur Lucas] ‘Pam’ b.1886 East Preston, Sussex. To Malaya 1914 but WW1 Service in the Indian Army. Returned to Malaya 1919. Manager, Abaco Estate 1920s/1930s. Assistant Planter, Semantan Estate, Mentakak, Pahang. Captain, Pahang LDC. Changi and Sime Rd internee. Returned to Malaya 1947-1948. Died 1980 Ringwood, Hants.
and her brothers
SHELTON-PALMER H.V. [Hugh Valentine] b.1919 KL. Assistant Planter, Seaport Estate, Sungei Way, Selangor then Wessyngton Estate, Rengam, Johore [Malayan American Plantations Ltd] L/Cpl 13144 2 FMSVF to FMSVF Armoured Cars POW Singapore to Thailand. Father of Melanie & Simon. Died 1985 Sussex.
SHELTON-PALMER P.A.L. [Patrick Arthur Lucas] b.1917 Petaling KL. Assistant Planter, North Hummock Estate, Klang. 2nd Lt 13211 2FMSVF POW Singapore to Thailand. Died in captivity 6.6.43 Thailand. Grave at Kanchanaburi.
If you do a web search on Simon Shelton-Palmer you will find he has a family website and you can contact him through the website.
Malayan Volunteers Group