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John > David R. Tobin

Posted: 12 Oct 2004 6:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Jun 2006 11:15PM GMT
Surnames: Tobin, Mahoney
Researching the line of John Tobin from Kilworth, County Cork. Son David R. emigrated to Ellis Island 27 July 1911 on the SS Adriatic. David married Theresa Mahoney and produced: David R., Jr., Francis S., Margaret M., and Roland by 1930 census. Records suggest David traveled with Michael Flynn from Eire - relationship unknown. Any and all leads/input greatly appreciated!

UPDATE: Stephen > David R. Tobin

Posted: 13 Feb 2006 10:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Jun 2006 11:15PM GMT
Surnames: TOBIN, MALONEY
I had the right David R. TOBIN, but the wrong father and immigration dates....

Correction:
David R. Tobin is the son of Stephen TOBIN b. 1834 likely County Cork, Ireland and Hannah ?? b. 1848, likely County Cork, Ireland. Siblings were: Catherine S. b. 1875, Ireland, Ellen b 1878 Ireland, Stephen Jr. b. 1882, maybe a Patrick b. 1884, Ireland, Elizabeth b. 1886, Ireland and Thomas (who may be Patrick Thomas) b. 1891, Ireland.

The family slowly immigrated between 1887 and 1905 to Boston and Cambridge, Mass. where they show up on both the 1900 and 1910 censuses.

David R. Tobin m. Theresa H. MALONEY bef. 1913 and produced:
David R. Jr., Francis, Margaret M. and Raymond T. iN 1920 and 1930 the family lives in Lake Placid Village, North Elba, Essex County, NY.

It appears this family lived in both Carrigaline and Bandon, County Cork. If anything loks familiar, please contact me - happy to share.

Re: John > David R. Tobin

Posted: 15 Nov 2009 8:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tobin
Hi,
I am a descendant of Michael Tobin, who owned a farm in Downing Kilworth Co Cork in the 1870s. All I know is that he died before 1901 and had a sister, Catherine (born 1850) who migrated to Massachusetts USA.

does this info fit in anywhere on your research

Dermot Tobin

Re: John > David R. Tobin

Posted: 19 Nov 2009 12:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
This is the background on what I know - maybe cousins at least? Attached is a Timeline Summary after they came to the USA. Let me know if you see a connection:

TOBIN REPORT 09 August 2006

Stephen Tobin & Johanna Donovan,
Ahalisky, gamekeeper
Roundhill / Old Chapel, coachman

Married at Timoleague RC church on 13 February 1866
Both full age, bachelor & spinster
Stephen, gamekeeper, Liselan, son of David [deceased], labourer
Johanna, servant, Ahalisky, dau. of James, dairyman
Witnesses: Michael Tobin X & James Donovan X

Birth Date Child Birthplace Registered by …
1866 Dec 10 Mary Ahalisky father
1868 Oct 19 Margaret “ “
1869 Sep 24 Hannah “ “
1871 Nov 24 Catherine “ “
1876 Nov 20 Ellen “ mother, X
1879 Oct 12 David “ Mary Tobin, Aghalisky
1881 Oct 24 Stephen Roundhill Hannah Tobin, mother
1884 Sep 19 Elizabeth “ “
1891 Jul 28 Thomas Old Chapel Hannah Tobin, mother, X


Ahalisky is a townland in the civil parish of Kilmaloda, and I suspect is in the Roman Catholic parish of Timoleague. Two points arise:

[1] As Stephen’s occupation is shown as ‘gamekeeper’ , it is possible that he was not a local man. The policy is to bring in outsiders for such posts, to prevent too much favouritism to the local poachers. Hannah Donovan is a native of Timoleague, evidence of the location of their marriage in 1866.

[2] Timoleague RC baptismal registers do not begin until 1842/1843, so it is doubtful that the baptisms of both Stephen [if he is a local man] and Hannah will be found.

As Stephen’s address at the time of his marriage is shown as Lisselan, my assumption is that he was working on the Bence Jones estate at Lisselan. I have included some information about this – for your further research. It is quite possible that Mark Bence Jones, Glenville House, Glenville, Co. Cork, will know the location of the estate papers, and may even possess them, as the family historian.

Roundhill is a townland just to the west of the town of Bandon, along the present N 71 road. Old Chapel is a local name for the same area, because it was the location of an 17th/18th century Roman Catholic church, in the days when this religion was still somewhat underground. There are several large houses in this area, so it is not possible to guess by whom Stephen was employed – unlike the Lisselan address at the time of his marriage.

No children were born in Carrigaline during the years you indicated. Furthermore, there is not a sufficient gap between David and Stephen for any ‘missing’ children. Where did the Carrigaline and Bandon information come from?

As there are nine children shown above, and the 1900 census indicates that Hannah had 11 children, of whom 8 are then alive we need to find the births of 2 more children, and the deaths of the three not alive in 1900. I suggest that Margaret born 1868 in one of the three dead children, as she does not appear on your family group. Is it possible that the other two children were born in Carrigaline, after those born in Bandon – and the dates you have are reversed?

Patrick was not found among the Bandon births, possibly agreeing with your assumption that he was not a sibling. So far, he has not been found in the computerised records.


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Re: John > David R. Tobin

Posted: 19 Nov 2009 12:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hmm, the attachment did not upload properly - here it is in another form:

TOBIN TIMELINE

Family groups:

1.0 Stephen Tobin, b. Jan 1834, Ireland, and Johannah Donovan Tobin, b. Jan. 1848, Ireland
Children:
1.1 Mary Tobin, b. Sept. 1868, Ireland
1.2 Hannah, b. May 1876, Ireland
1.3 Catherine S. , b. Oct. 1875, Ireland
1.4 Ellen, b. Sept. 1878, Ireland
1.5 David, b. Oct. 1879, Ireland
1.6 Stephen, b. Nov. 1882, Ireland
1.7 Patrick, b. 1884, Ireland (lives with David in 1910 –could be a cousin) ??
1.8 Elizabeth, Dau., b. Aug. 1886, Ireland
1.9 Thomas, Son, b. July 1891, Ireland

1.5 David R. Tobin, b Oct. 1879 or 20 NOV 1880/2 and Theresa H. MALONEY b. Aug 1885
Children:
1.5.1 David R. Tobin Jr., b. Sept 1914, Mass.
1.5.2 Francis Tobin, b. Feb. 1916, Mass.
1.5.3 Margaret M., b. Aug 1917, New York
1.5.4 Raymond T., b. abt. 1921, New York

NOTE: Identity of father of David R. TOBIN listed as Stephen TOBIN in David’s Obituary.

1834 JAN – Stephen TOBIN is born, Ireland (source 1900 census)

1848 JAN – Hannah ??? TOBIN is born, Ireland (source 1900 census)

1868 SEPT – Mary TOBIN is b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland (source 1900 census)

1875 OCT – Catherine S. TOBIN is b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland (source 1900 census)

1876 MAY – Hannah TOBIN is b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland (source 1900 census)

1878 SEPT – Ellen TOBIN is b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland (source 1900 census)

1879/82 OCT or NOV 20 - David Robert TOBIN Sr., b. County Cork, Ireland (1900 census says Oct 1879, Obit says 20 Nov 1880) to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland

1882 NOV – Stephen TOBIN Jr. is b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland (source 1900 census)

1883 – Charles TOBIN is b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland (source immigration record listing David and Alice as Charles’ brother and sister)


1884 – Patrick TOBIN b. b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland (source 1910 census)
– he is enumerated with David in 1910 – immig. Record establishes he is brother to David and Alice Tobin

1886 AUG – Elizabeth TOBIN is b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland

Abt. 1887-1895 – family lives in Carrigaline, County Cork

Abt. 1895-1900 – family lives in Bandon, County Cork

1887 MAY 24 – Mary TOBIN, F., Spinster, appears on the manifest of the SS Arabic, sailing into the Port of New York from Liverpool

1891 JUNE 29 – Nellie Tobin, 18, Spinster and Katie Tobin, 17, spinster sailing from Queenstown and Liverpool, England on the SS Catalonia arrive in Boston, Massachusetts

1891 JULY – Thomas TOBIN is b. to Stephen and Hannah ??? TOBIN, Ireland

1895 MAY 24 – Hannah Tobin, 20, Laundress and Katie Tobin, 6, child, sail from Queenstown to Boston on the SS Gallia from Carrigaline, County Cork – passage paid by Cousin, John Tobin, 6 York Street, Boston arriving Boston, June 1895

1895 SEPT 27 – Ellen TOBIN, F, Single, Servant sails from Queenstown on the SS Cephalonia to Boston from Bandon, Ireland headed to the household of her sister (sic), Hannah TOBIN, 409 Cambridge Street, Cambridge and arrives in Boston 6 OCT 1895.

1898 AUG 28 – Stephen TOBIN Sr, 58, laborer from Bandon, County Cork and Stephen TOBIN Jr, 11, student, arrive in Boston after sailing from Queenstown on the SS New England. Destination is Stephen’s daughter, Nellie TOBIN, 160 Thorndike Street, E. Cambridge, Mass.

1896 MAY 1 – Annie (Anna A) TOBIN, 19, female, single, servant, and Mary TOBIN, 11 female, single, child, sail from Queenstown on the SS Catalonia from Castlejohn, headed for the household of Annie’s sister, Katie Tobin, of Brookfield, Mass.

1898 OCT 20 – David TOBIN, 20, Male, Single, laborer, arrives in Boston sailing on the SS New England from Queenstown, leaving Bandon, County Cork for father/sister Steph. TOBIN, 160 Thorndike Street, E. Cambridge, Mass.

1899 JUNE 23 – Hannah TOBIN, 48, wife of Stephen, and children, Elizabeth, 11, and Thomas, 7, arrive in Boston on the SS New England from Queenstown. Last residence, Bandon, County Cork. Destination, husband, Stephen, 505 Cambridge Street, E. Cambridge, Mass.

Re: John > David R. Tobin

Posted: 19 Nov 2009 7:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tobin Walsh Hanrahan McNamara Buxton Kearns Sullivan Curran
Hi

I can tell you of what I know about my Tobins of Downing, Kilworth, Cork:

Catherine TOBIN (born c. 1850 Cork) travels to Fall River MA, in 1870, living there in 1910. Unmarried with no issue.


Michael TOBIN, sibling of Catherine) marries Catherine HANRAHAN in 1873 in Glanworth, Co Cork (Born 22 Feb 1843 Curraghagalla North, Glanworth to Edmund HANRAHAN & Honora "Nancy" MCNAMARA)

Michael TOBIN & Catherine HANRAHAN'S children, Downing Farm, kilworth:

- Honora (born 1874) pressumed to have died in infancy

- William (11 April 1875 - 24 Jan 1945) - Farmer - marries Mary Walsh (28 Oct 1879 - 4 Apr 1953). Have 5 children.

- Mary (born 1876) - marries Maurice McNamara. has 6 children.

- Ellen "Nellie H" (15 April 1879 - June 1965) - laundress - migrates to Fall River, MA in 1898. living with aunt Catherine in 1910, living with brother Michael in 1920.

- Michael (21 July 1881 - 24 June 1953) - Meat Cutter at Meat Market - migrates to Fall River, MA in 1903. Living with aunt Catherine and sister Nellie in 1910, MA. Marries Margaret Curran and has 2 daughters.

- Edmond "Ned" (1883 - 1931) helped work on Downing Farm.

William TOBIN & Mary WALSH'S Children:

- Michael "Mick" (1909 - 1 Sept 1986) - Farmer - marries Nora "Nan" Sullivan

- Mary Kate (Kitty) (1910 - 17 June 1940 in Huntingdon, Uk) - Nurse - marries Josiah Frank Gardner Buxton in July 29 1939 in Lincoln, UK. No children. dies of TB 1 year after marriage.

- Jane "Cissy" - (1912 - 13 Oct 1946) dies of TB.

- Jeremiah "Jerome" - (30 Oct 1913 - 11 Dec 1985 St Albans UK) marries Eileen Kearns.

- Edmond "Eddie" (1915 - 1997) Christian brother. No Children.



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