Heraldry and Coats of Arms - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Biszantz Coat of Arms

shannonbiszantz — 10 Dec 2008 4:29:06 GMT

Hello,I have run into conflicting information regarding our coat of arms.One source I found 9 years ago provides the Coat of arms and states at the bottom of the description and picture "The grant of arms is recorded in the "Libro d'oro della Nobilita" (Italy) and "Das Grosse Wappenbuch" (Germany and Austria). A second source I found yesterday on www.wappenbuch.com has a different spelling of Bisantz and a different coat of arms. Can anyone recommend to me a professional or website location that can help me with this? I can easily email the original coat I received to anyone who might help. Thank you..I want to put the accurate one on the cover of my family book I am giving out as Xmas gifts this year. Shannon

coat of arms descent

lbanks28 — 19 Aug 2008 1:50:53 GMT

an ancestor had arms but died without heir. he left his possesions to his nieces children, one of whom could only inherit if he changed his surname by Royal Licence or Act of Parliment. would that mean that he would also be able to use the arms?

new to all of this and trying to understand how it all works.

Is This A Real Coat of Arms?

protechhvac — 3 Apr 2008 1:06:15 GMT

Hello,

I have this small silverplated trinket or ring box with this shield shaped coat of arms. What I've been able to dertermine is just the names of the symbols. Lion rampant(dexter), cross pattee or iron cross, 4 mullet.

I'm wondering if this is real or just artistic license. City or perhaps military or school? Thank you for any help you can give. Here is a link to the photo.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/tav120/SPTrinkietShield...

Currid Coat of Arms/Family Crest?

Killcur — 29 Jul 2008 6:57:18 GMT

Hi I am from Sligo Ireland, I am trying to find the coat of arms or family crest for the currid family. I cannot seem to find it anywhere! It must exist somewhere.....If anyone can help me please get in touch

Possible Jackson Coat of Arms?

haydenleah — 9 Aug 2008 4:34:17 GMT

I have just received a framed family crest / coast of Arms for part of my family from a relative who recently passed away. It is the (although from what I have found there are many)Jackson family crest, but I can't find it anywhere on line, only different ones. It has the latin phrase 'Malo Mori Quam Foedari' (I would rather die than be dishonored),but so do a lot of other crests..... My Jacksons were from Yorkshire. How do one dwtermine which line gets which crest, or would the one that I have (which is very old) have morphed into something more modern? How can I find what makes it special to MY family? Any help would be appreciated, can send a photo if necessary. Thanks!!
Laurie

German Coats of Arms - 12,000 crests

chakani — 30 Jul 2008 12:56:02 GMT

You may be interested in this Web site that shows the 1,200 pages of Johann Siebmacher's Wappenbuch (1702).

www.wappenbuch.com

'Wappenbuch' contains images of over 12,000 Coats of Arms from 17th Century Germany, and 15,000 names.

Scanned & indexed from a rare, ancient book.

The images have been carefully scanned at high resolution. The index has been revised, and thousands of errors and omissions have been corrected.

Arms of Geoffrey de Marisco

pmarri — 14 Jul 2008 8:06:09 GMT

Matthew Paris in his account of the execution of William de Marisco in 1242 gives the arms of both William and his father Geoffrey de Marisco, the Justiciar of Ireland. Geoffrey’s arms were “gules, a lion rampant argent”. Variations of these arms were used by various family members (including William), and they are straightforward to draw.

However, Paris also gives a second set of arms to Geoffrey de Marisco, possibly used in connection with his position as Justiciar. Can anyone help me work out how to draw them? They are described as:

“Party per fess gules and vert, a fess argent between two plates in chief and a crescent in base of the third”.

My main questions are:

a) Does “Party per fess” indicate the shield was divided into three sections horizontally?
b) If not, what is the purpose of “Party”
c) If so, how were the sections coloured? Was it gules, vert and gules (top to bottom)?
d) How does one draw the “fess argent between two plates” (i.e. how does one draw a “fess” on a shield that has itself been defined as “Party per fess”?

Regards,

Phil

Prussian Coat of Arms - Gutwasser

JDJames89 — 13 Jul 2008 11:31:13 GMT

Hello everyone. I’m not terribly experienced with coats arms, so I’m hoping someone will be able to help me find out a little more information from a hand-painted family crest that has been passed down in my family.

I’ve attached a jpeg of the scanned image, but I’ll describe it briefly:

The shield’s field is blue and there is an odd image of something that looks like what could be a fancy gold colored cup (grail/goblet-like) with a four streams of silver (water maybe) pouring into it from a black dot (maybe its supposed to be a hole) just above it. It also gives the impression of a fountain.

The crest itself is a golden symbol that looks similar to a tall 4 with another line running horizontally through the leg of the four (see image). It is perched atop a silver helmet with blue and white wings springing up from the base to frame the 4 shape.

1588 is written across the upper part of the paper (split into 15 and 88 on either side of the crest).

Below the shield, in neat German calligraphy, is written:

Gutwasser ~
N.W. Böhmen b. Schneeberg.

My last (and only that I know of so far, I cannot locate any other members of her family) Gutwasser relative was my great great great grandmother whose maiden name was Anna Marie Gutwasser. She lived from 1849 to 1902 and I believe this framed coat of arms dates from about that time period. My research shows she was born in Mühlhausen, Thüringen, Prussia/Germany and immigrated to the United States in 1857.

I find this coat of arms to be very curious, and would like to ask anyone with experience with German heraldry, exactly what the text mentioned above means. Does the date 1588 apply to origins of the name Gutwasser or the city of Schneeberg? I know there are many cities, towns and villages named Gutwasser in Prussia (now Germany, Austria, etc.), could this maybe be a reference to a town named Gutwasser (maybe one my Gutwasser relatives were named after or vice versa)?

I’ve been researching the location of Schneebergs that were once Prussian (most of Bohemia is now in Austria) but have found nothing conclusive yet. There are a couple of prospects, but I can’t make any further suggestion without further research.

I would like it very much if anyone with experience in Germanic heraldry could possibly help me identify the symbols in this coat of arms and help me track down more information about this coat of arms and where it came from. As I’ve said, I’m not really experienced with heraldry of any kind, so I would be open to any suggestions of resources which I could use to identify when this coat of arms came to be (is there an index of dates and names granted crests in Bohemia, Prussia?)

If there is anything further, or any one has any questions, please leave a post. I will try and attach a decent sized jpeg of the Gutwasser coat of arms; please let me know if it doesn’t come through.

Thanks for your time. I haven’t come across anyone else researching the Gutwassers and fear I am treading in unexplored waters, so I’m looking forward to figuring out this little enigma in my genealogy research.

Identifying Old Canvas Coat of Arms Banner......?

poolej169 — 9 Jul 2008 10:57:21 GMT

I recently inherited what appears to be a very old canvas banner with what appears to be a Coat of Arms. The item is large, 8' x 8' and seems to be hand painted. The motto at the bottom is Latin and reads, "To Love My Country" The top motto appears Welsh??? Not sure what it says.

The Coat of Arms I have not been able to identify. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. Jeremy

PS. I have other more detailed pictures if needed.

Polish Translation

jtmielnik — 17 Jun 2008 9:05:16 GMT

I'm reading a Polish book on Heraldry and Coat of Arms, HERBY SZLACHTY RZECZYPOSPOLITEJ. The Abbreviation, ODM appears often; does anyone know the meaning?

Thanks,
John

Coat of Arms

lhm2868 — 25 May 2008 10:21:49 GMT

I purchased an antique frame and it had a coat of arms for a family, as best I can tell the family name is Askim Could you
describe your coat of arms, if this belongs to your family I will be happy to mail it to you. It appears to be very old, but in good condition.

Harris COAT OF ARMS

luann_hoskins — 29 Apr 2008 2:54:08 GMT

DOES ANYONE HAVE A HARRIS COAT OF ARMS OR A HARRIS FAMILY CREST? MY MAIDEN NAME WAS HARRIS,AND MY GRANDFATHER WAS WALTER P HARRIS FROM MONROE/LAWRENCE COUNTY INDIANA.

LUANN

Beer coat of arms?

stevebeer1 — 20 Dec 2006 1:35:08 GMT

Hi, can anyone please provide a reference or link to a correct coat of arms for the Beer family?

There seem to be several via Google but I would like the correct one...
Thanks!

need translation for Scottish motto

disneymom55 — 11 Sep 2006 4:27:29 GMT

Please translate the meaning for this moto: "What Tyde", It's the "Douglas" Moto . Oragin is Scottish. Thank You.

To Identify a Coat of Arms

adamla1 — 28 Mar 2008 11:52:16 GMT

I have attached a coat of arms that hangs above my fireplace in the City of Los Angeles, California. Can anyone please help me identify the origins of this coat of arms?

questions on coat of arms

dkenline1 — 19 Jan 2008 3:19:25 GMT

This is a (bad) photo of a painting in my grandmother's possession. I am trying to find the genealogical history (if any) surrounding it.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h274/merger96/crest3.jpg

Background: My grandmother inherited this, but I don't know from whom. The Rattray family lived in Channel Islands and Lille, France, but as far as I know were British citizens. I believe Rattray is a Scottish name. The Summers family was from Scotland, and the Perchard family was from France or Channel Islands.

Is there any way to tell from what country a coat of arms might be?

The crest is unfortunately cut off in the photo, but I recall that there was no helmet, only a small scallop shell in the center. Does anyone know what the significance is?

I am aware that we have no rights to use this coat of arms but I would like to identify for the sake of family history.

-Julie K

family crest

mzalar194 — 4 Mar 2008 3:03:12 GMT

please- i am in search of the zalar family crest, and i keep running into a block. i would be very grateful to any one with a clue! thanks!!

Pronkse Armigers?

13confido — 6 Mar 2008 1:50:33 GMT

Hi:

My grandniece is curious if anyone of her name is an Armiger. I do not have reference books that cover Prussia or Pomerania. She is of this descent.

Would sks take a look to see what is found for "Pronske," please. If so, can you provide a scan and description of what is located? It would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Lauren

Place of Registry for previous registered Coat of Arms

macmaghol — 17 Oct 2007 4:05:41 GMT

Hello, Me again!
My brother several years ago designed and registered his own Maguire coat of arms...since his passing, things are missing, amongstthem is his certificate of registration for his coat of arms. I am pretty sure he registed it in Ireland but then again it could be somewhere else (other than USA)
Does anyone know where I might find this info so I can request a copy of his registration. I would like to give it to his oldest son.
Many thanks
;)christine

German Heraldry Authority

Chuck_Rodekohr — 1 Jan 2008 5:59:22 GMT

I have information that was originally acquired by a professional German genealogist, undocumented and now deceased, that my 10th Great Grandfather, Jost Rodekord/Rodecourt of Gronau (on the river Leine, south of Hanover, Germany), was granted a Coat of Arms in 1585. Is there an German Heraldry Authority that I could write to, to determine if there was in fact a Coat of Arms granted to him, and if so, where to find a registered description of the blazon of arms and the circumstances for the grant?

Chuck Rodekohr
http://www.rodekohrancestors.com

Conflicting Heraldry Information

webmaster01 — 28 Dec 2007 8:55:05 GMT

Hi, I have been reached the end of the paper trail left by my family and am now studying the Heraldry documents to try to trace them further. However, while doing this, I have run across two different official heraldry documents that say two totally different things.

I first found the Original Grant of arms of my 12th Great Grandfather in the National Archives of England. This document names his father and grandfather and tells what city and county they both lived in. Recently I got a hold of the Visitations there were conducted by the King of Arms starting in 1550 to make sure that each person was entitled to the coat of arms which they claimed and also recorded this information.

The first Visitation I found for my ancestors county was in 1552. In it, my 13th Great Grandfather is listed along with his wives and supposedly his children. No picture of discription of his coat of arms is listed. The next visitation to this county was in 1558. By this time, my 13th Great Grandfather was dead but his son my 12th Great Grandfather who I found the original grant of arms for was still living. In this visitation, it lists the father and Grandfather of my 13th Great Grandfather. But this information contridicts the Original grant of arms to my 12th great Grandfather. The original Grant of arms of my 12th great Grandfather states that my 14th Great Grandfather's name was John where as the Visitation of 1558 says that his name was Arthur. Both of these documents are official heraldry documents so I am very confused as to which one to believe to be accurate? I did find a will of a John in from the correct city and county and in the same time period as this should be. In this will, he does mention his oldest son who shares the correct name with my 13th Great Grandfather. However, this Arthur mentioned in the Visitation married into a very promenent English Family and therefore his existance is also proven.

So, which would should I believe as one is obviously wrong?

Salak Family Crest / Coat of Arms ?

mysmithnotes — 31 Mar 2007 2:37:19 GMT

I can't find anything on Salak family Crest / Coat of Arms. Any help out there ? I can't even find were the Salak comes from or the meaning ? Were do you find this stuff ?
Thanks for any help...

Aaronson

macmaghol — 4 Oct 2007 5:52:57 GMT

Looking for coat of arms for the surname Aaronson.
Many thanks
;)

Coat of arms

dbedwel1 — 20 Dec 2007 11:47:18 GMT

I would like to know of anyone by the surname of Bedwell from England that might have been awarded a coat of arms.

Nathaniel Collyer b. 1753 St Benet Fink

MartinCollyer — 16 Apr 2007 11:24:58 GMT

A cousin has recently sent me a copy of Arms thought to be those of the subject or of his son, also Nathaniel, b. 1788 Rainham, Essex. The family had been successful merchants in the City of London for four or five generations, though they had come down in the world by the 1780's. In view of the recent bicentenary of Abolition, I was disturbed to see that the crest was a naked negress holding a twig of Oak with three leaves and three acorns. I hope it signifies the Abolitionist side. Does anyone know the significance or who could tell me? I could email a copy. Regards, Martin Collyer

Coat of Arms/Crest

RobertBerzley25 — 5 Nov 2007 5:05:18 GMT

Does anyone know if the Tanner, name/family, has a Coat of Arms/Crest. They came to the New World around 1673, give or take a year of so.

Any help would be greatly appreciated..

Would Holland and Germany normally have a form of Heraldry

macmaghol — 13 Oct 2007 7:52:22 GMT

Hi, me again,
Would Holland and Germany normally have heraldry for families or is that something mostly for the English, Scots and Irish?

Also does anyone know of Heraldry for the civil war era in the US? I have heard people talk about it but not sure hwat it is.

Many thanks to all of you!

Keys/Keyes Arms - Fermanagh Donegal Ireland

apeiron1 — 21 Sep 2007 2:17:15 GMT

The arms described in the confirmation below appear on 2 Keys gravestones in County Fermanagh and one in Donegal in Northern Ireland(although there is no known connection between the two families). Undoubtedly both families originated in England. How can one find out where and when the arms were originally granted, and in what other locations the same arms may appear in England or Scotland?

Thanks,
Roy Keys

Confirmation Ulster King of Arms:
‘Whereas in respect of John Keys of Killynoogan, Fermanagh, Esq., who died in 1794, setting forth that his family for a number of generations had used certain armorial ensigns, I confirm to him and his descendants…
ARMS: Or, a lion rampant gules between two fleur-de-lis azure on a chief of the last three crosses couped gold.
CREST: On a wreath of the colours an arm erect in armour couped at the wrist, or, the hand proper, mantled gules, doubled argent.
MOTTO: Ne perii nec desperii.
‘To have and to hold’ to John Keys and his descendants 1 Sep 1934.’

Giese

macmaghol — 4 Oct 2007 6:03:57 GMT

Looking for a coat of arms for the surname Giese.
Thanks
;)

Spanish Coat of Arms for the name Cornejo

Hector Cornejo — 21 Dec 2002 12:25:08 GMT

Hello,

while poking around in the library I found a reference to elite knights that used to protect the Pope using the house name Cornejo and would be quite interested to see what it was. I of course would not take it as my own, but it would be interesting to see what the coat of arms looks like.

I would really appreciate it if someone could research the surname for me; I have run out of sites to find it. If anyone has further suggestions I would be open to those as well!

Regards,

Hector Cornejo

Help -- Picture of medal

haynes_ks — 8 Sep 2007 1:17:55 GMT

Need help with identifying this medal. Is this a family crest or a military medal?? It appears to be hand made and is perhaps bronze. Any help would be appreciated.

strudwick arms

mstrudwicke — 28 Aug 2007 1:14:18 GMT

Hi,
Continuing my research of STRUDWICK, I have come across an entry in Robson "The British herald, or Cabinet of armorial bearings of the nobility & gentry of Great Britain"
In the preface Robsons cites "The complete body of Heraldry" by Joseph Edmondson (c1760) as his major source, so I am seeking anyone who has access to Edmondson who could see if it also includes an entry for STRUDWICK
My previous research has lead to entries for STRUDWICK in Burkes and Papworth, however the Robson entry describes an entirely different blazon, so this is of some interest.
Cheers,
Marcus strudwicke

SEPT OF CLAN IN SCOTLAND ?

Les_Hewett — 1 Sep 2007 9:33:50 GMT

Any lister knowledgeable about Clan badges? Seeking Clan for a Burr(?)badge (usual circle style except belt is crossed at L with long tongue under carrying over to R side.) Perhaps old style ? This family-owned badge is over 100 years old.

Latin inscription over top: Virtus Verus Honos (“Virtue is true honour” ) which is the motto of the BURR family according to Google.

However this is an English family name with no apparent Scottish links in its published history on Net.

Inside the circle is a large lion’s head facing L, resting on a short banner slightly off horizontal, which appears to have descending flames or similar; this is positioned over a horizontal braided cord.

Not sighted in my tartan/badge book and not the motto of a Scottish regiment according to my military badge book. Hundreds of Burr names in NE Scotland in the LDS IGI. Who were they?

Any advice or assistance appreciated. ljhewett@ihug.co.nz

Looking for coat of arms

jackcwinters — 13 Aug 2007 7:42:25 GMT

Hello the 4 surnames that I am looking for coat of arms for are as follows:

Winter (from Bavaria)
Enkler (from Kleinkarlbach
Graue (from Bavaria)

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Jack

Needing coat of arms

aprilmh1628 — 7 Aug 2007 3:22:06 GMT

I am needing the coat of arms for the following surnames:

Harmon, Marshall, Johnson, Darnell, Lamb, Bible, Harold, Lane, Brown.

Hawkins coat of arms

huron01 — 6 Aug 2007 12:33:56 GMT

Hi,

I've recently discovered a memorial to a Hawkins ancestor (William Hawkins b. abt 1624 died 1677) in a church in Mortlake that has a coat of arms above it. Family tradition has it that he was descended from Sir John Hawkins of Plymouth Armada fame (and slavery infamy!). It appears to be the same as the coat of arms of Sir John (sable on a point wavy a lion passant or three bezants) except without the crest of a demi Moor bound, and a "canton argent or escallop between 2 palmers staves sable". I understand that the canton was added for Sir John around 1571, and the unfortunate crest awarded to him by Queen Elizabeth for his exploits, but what I don't know is whether those were both additions to an existing family coat of arms, or if the whole thing was created especialy for him. Burke's mentions a Kent Hawkins with the same arms without the point wavy, and it's impossible to say for sure if the point wavy is definitely on there (poor light, high up), but I know nothing more about them and how they might be connected.

The reason for the question is that I suspect our William was actually descended from Sir John's brother William, but those arms being exclusive to Sir John would appear to rule that out.

Any ideas on how to find this information out would be hugely appreciated.

Best,

Alex

Help with Crest and motto: Ewen, Euen, Ewan, Ewing

mcmillanfamily1 — 10 Jul 2007 11:22:13 GMT

I have been given a crest and motto - copy attached, which was said to have been on a carriage in the 19th century of one of my ancestors and money paid each year for use of the crest. Looking through Fairbairn's Crests it seems to fit Ewen Plate 122 No. 7 minus the scallop on a mount, vert., a stork, statant, ppr P1.122.cr7 (without scallop). The motto is stated P534 as relating to Euen, Ewan, Ewing.

Is there any other information I can find about its origins?

Need Help Indentifying Arms

WalterBurgner30 — 1 Jul 2007 6:47:15 GMT

I believe the following arms are of Scottish origin?

Shield: In a soldier's habit, holding a bow, bent with
an arrow in it.

Crest: Between two wings an arm erect vested Azure,
cuffed Argent, holding in the hand a thistle
Purpura
Motto: Pro Deo et Sanctus Kessog(For God & St. Kessog)

I don't have the heraldic description of the shield but it seems to be of Scottish origin? Some of the variant spellings for the name of Kessog are Kissick, Kissock, Kissack, etc.

Q?? Can Anyone Help Me Identify This?

Mme_N_Carmichael — 14 Jun 2007 7:03:24 GMT

I am trying to identify a crest - don't know if it is family, civil or scholastic.

The colours are red, blue and gold.
It is divided vertically into two halves.
The left half is divided diagonally by a jagged line into two quarters.

Reading from left to right, the devices and colours are:
1) gold lion on red ground in the first quarter section
2) gold fleur-de-lys on blue ground in the second quarter
3) gold wheel (ship's??, Catherine??) on red ground in the
right hand half.

I am hoping to get an image to post in a photo album, but so far I have just the description.

Any help gratefully received.

Carmichael

De Cuevas

ZIrene_H — 14 Jun 2007 6:58:36 GMT

Does the surname DeCuevas have any recognition in heraldy?

Arms of last Clan Crawford Chief Lost

maryritacrawford1 — 16 Jun 2007 3:52:20 GMT

The Clan Crawford Arms, seal, etc. were lost after the death of the last Clan Chief in Canada in 1940's. If anyone has any clan items or the above mentioned, please contact the Clan Crawford Association at www.clancrawford.org or contact me at midwestclancrawford@hotmail.com Thank you!!!

What is the (German) crest or coat of arms for the surname Hirtle?

kirstenhirtle — 9 Jun 2007 11:03:12 GMT

Or is there one? If so I'm looking for a true one. My brothers and i want to get a tattoo of our familys Crest becasue we are proud to be the "Hirtle"'s we are. Thanks.

ADMIN NOTE: Reminder re commercial sites (post no replies)

13confido — 5 Jun 2007 3:39:48 GMT

Dear Posters:

Please read:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.heraldry/934/mb.ashx

Also, please bear in mind that there is no such thing as a "family crest." It does not matter how many vendors (commonly referred to as "bucket shops") want to sell such things. It does not alter the fact that they do not exist. Crests are the design placed atop an heraldic shield. Heraldic shields and accompanying elements are awarded to a single amiger, not a family. A search of this board and the accompanying list's archives for the term "family crest" will garner many messages explaining this in detail.

We realize that those who post "you can find it here!" and supply a link to a commercial site are trying to be helpful. However, most of those links are to sites which will sell a history that is generic and probably totally unrelated to your actual genealogical family. And if the history or "arms" do not exist, they may create one that has no basis in fact or heraldry.

If you would like to learn more about heraldry, read more posts from both this board and the gatewayed list, to discover the resources mentioned. Visit your local library and ask the resource librarian to point you in the direction of books on Heraldry. Burkes Peerage is online now and has some good articles. The Heraldic Office for Scotland is the Lord Lyon Court. It has an informative website.

Any messages with links to commercial sites posted to this board WILL be removed.

Yours Aye,

Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot
Heraldry and Coats of Arms Board and List Admin

Family Coat of Arms

ELROY BEVER — 17 Oct 2006 4:39:23 GMT

How can I locate my BEVER Family Coat of Arms or Family Crest. I'm not very sure what to do and where to look. thank you beeves

ADMIN NOTE: Purpose and Topic of this Board

13confido — 2 Jun 2007 3:38:03 GMT

Dear Posters:

This board is for posting messages regarding Heraldry and Coats of Arms. It is not a genealogical discussion bulletin board (or list.)

At times (rarely) it is pertinent to include the genealogy/descent of an Armiger. However, if your interest is general genealogy for a specific surname or family branch or furthering your research, please post to the genealogical boards (and lists) for the surname or the location of interest.

In order to maintain the integrity of the board, genealogical messages posted to this board are moved to the surname board and off topic genealogical messages are not allowed to gateway to the list.

Please keep on topic.

Yours Aye,

Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot
Heraldry and Coats of Arms Board and List Admin

Using a Coat of Arms to Trace a Family?

webmaster01 — 5 May 2007 9:04:26 GMT

Hello, I have have managed to research and find the coats of arms that belonged to three of my ancestors in England. All three Grandfather, father, and son. Both the father and the son are obviously based off that of the Grandfather. I was wondering if it is possible to trace a family based on the coats of arms and how one might go about doing it. I am also interested in why a person was granted a coat of arms if that information can be found. Someone in the family had to be the first go get one.

Yelton Coat of Arms

countrygalalways598022000 — 23 Apr 2007 2:01:32 GMT

I have received two different pictures of the Yelton Coat of Arms. One is: gold with a red left diagonal band placed between a naurally colored pland badge of the rase of England at the top and three oak leaves, emblem of England, placed in a Y-shape, in the center an acorn all naturally colored. The second is: a red band running across the top of the sheild from corner to corner, with 3 lions: 2 placed at each corner at the bottom of red band the third is place in the middle of the shield at the bottom. (these lions are standing on two feet. There is a red lion at the very top of the Coat of Arms standing on three legs with one (right)extended outward. Also the words "FOY ent tout" printed over the top of the Coat of Arms. Could someone please tell me which one is the correct Coat of Arms for the Yelton surname. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Clennell coat of arms

george clennell — 15 Jan 2000 9:46:26 GMT

looking for a the coat of arms for the clennell family any information will be greatful
they came from co.durham england
thanks
george clennenn

Crest authorized by the Vatican to a Swiss Guard?

gensearcher99 — 15 Feb 2007 6:15:00 GMT

I am attaching an image of a crest that I am researching.

The family surname is Arduser and the family was from
Switzerland.

On the back of the photograph there is a handwritten
note stating "Arduser crest - Authorized by the
Vatican to a Swiss Guard".

On the left of the crest is an image of a man perhaps
in a Swiss Guard uniform. There is a woman on the
right side plus several other human figures in the
bottom corners.

On the bottom it says "19 Die Arduser 07". I'm
assuming that 1907 is a date that has some
significance.

Could this be a photo of a crypt or tomb? Can anyone
suggest a way to get more information on all of this?

McKissick-Kissick Arms

WalterBurgner30 — 9 Jan 2007 7:05:24 GMT

Is there any arms that are known for the surname of
"Kissick" also spelled "McKissick"? This surname is originally from Scotland but settled in Londonderry "Derry" County, Northern Ireland.

Trapp Coat of Arms

SharlotteGlasgow — 30 Sep 2006 1:35:42 GMT

Does anyone know if there is a Trapp coat of arms,and if so ,what it looks like?

Tripp Coat of Arms

Walter C. Burgner — 27 Jun 2006 3:20:13 GMT

I would like to get a copy of the Tripp coat of arms of John Tripp who was an early settler of Providence, Rhode Island.

wburgner@woh.rr.com

Help finding the blazon for McAuley, a branch of the Maguires

robmee — 27 Nov 2006 6:55:05 GMT

In my family research, I have come across two distinct Coats of Arms associated with the name Cawley, or McCawley, and other variants in Ireland. These arms are for: (1) McAuley or McAwley of the Southern Ui Neill (the O’Neills), designated as Westmeath; and (2) McAuley, a branch of the Maguires, which I have seen designated as Ulster. I have obtained pictures of both Arms and Crests, and I have the blazon for the arms of McAwley of the Southern Ui Neill.

I would like to find the blazon for the arms and crest of McAuley a branch of the Maguires. The picture I have is of a white shield with a black chevron, on which are the heads of three animals facing forward and each superimposed on what appear to be fleur dis lis. I have sometimes seen the heads and fleur dis lis colored yellow and sometimes colored white. The crest is a full helmet on top of which is a bird.

If anyone can direct me to a site where I can find the blazon for the McAuley, a branch of the Maguires, or could send the blazon to me, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Robby

Latin translation needed please

KBarnett1301 — 6 Oct 2006 10:30:19 GMT

Hello,
I have the following Latin motto relating to the PATTRICK family that is stumping me at present. Would anyone be kind enough to offer a translation?

"Aest necas tu"

Cheers
Kathryn

Latin translation?

Bruce C. Sherwood — 3 Sep 2006 6:50:06 GMT

The arms that I inherited have the motto as ANNOSO ROBORE QUERCUS. I was told that it translated as AN OAK IN FULL STRENGTH and this I have accepted for 40 years.
Recently I examined the motto and found the first two words to be doubtful -either no such words or mis-spelled.
I would appreciate any comments on this.
Bruce C. Sherwood

In Deo Confido

Ann Sadler — 17 Sep 2006 7:45:02 GMT

abshear family coat of arms

J.R. ABSHEAR — 18 Sep 2001 11:56:13 GMT

i am again asking if anyone would know about the coast of arms for the abshear family. i am reposting this because of a change in my e-mail address.

What is a cyclas?

Bruce C.Sherwood — 22 Jun 2005 5:03:21 GMT

I recently saw reference to a CYCLAS on which a knight's arms were displayed. However, I can find no explanation anywhere as what this garment (?) might be. Can someone help here?
Bruce C. Sherwood

coat of arms

Rik Langedijk — 14 Mar 2001 12:00:00 GMT

we found this one somewhere, but we want to know for shure that it belongs to our family. can you help us out.the coat of amrs is on the family langedijk page of my homepage

Raine and Krueger family coat of arms

mscozmokids — 2 Jul 2006 11:50:03 GMT

i am searching for our coat of arms for these 2 surnames. if anyone can help i would appreciate it. thx

What is the (English) crest or coat of arms for the surname Gawthorp?

JanetCrowleyDixon — 13 May 2006 3:59:48 GMT

Stephen - I saw your post and thought maybe you could help. I am trying to find, if there is one, a crest or coat of arms for the surname Gawthorp, the part of the family I know of lived in England.

How to find coat of arms on Chinese Armoral Porcelain

DJ — 10 May 2006 2:29:50 GMT

We recently acquired an early Chinese Armoral tankard with a finely painted coat of arms on the front. We would like to find the name or origin of the coat of arms. The shield is divided by a line down the center and is decorated with two lion heads above and one below a purple chevron on the right side of the shield. In the upper quarter of the left side of the shield there are three hunter horns hanging by strings. Below the horns are two rows of nubuly (clouds) in gold on a blue background. Above the shield, there is a helmet, and ornate mantling surrounds the shield. At the top of the tankard, there is a red demi-lion rampant (emerging from a blue bar with gold stripes).
I would appreciate any information regarding where I can research or find the origin of such heraldry.

Identifying a gold Coat of Arms on music box

Megan Matlock — 6 May 2006 8:55:26 GMT

I found an old black wood-and-leather music box a couple months ago in a second-hand store, and it has a gold Coat of Arms on the top (It plays a song from Fiddler on the Roof, for reference). I'm trying to find out what family/clan it belongs to. I've searched around for a while now, and I haven't been able to identify it yet. Manually looking through images of crests takes far too long, and there isn't any gaurentee that whichever site I happen to be on will actually <i>have</i> it listed.

Can anyone suggest a good comprehensive website or search that would be helpful?

If needed, a scan of the Coat of Arms can be found at the following link, as well as attached to this message:
http://ivygardens.net/art/crest.bmp

Thank you,
Megan

Possible Papworth Source

strudwicke — 31 Mar 2006 2:41:45 GMT

Hi Again,
I have just come across an entry for Rev. GEORGE WARRINGTON in the General Armory for England Ireland Scotland and Wales. It mentions ARMS, with a quartering for STRUDWICK, and a Blazon of the quartering the same as that in the Papworth entry for STRUDWICK. Would you have any other details on the WARRINGTON line, pedigree, or image of the arms with quartering?
(I am not sure of the timing of Papworth's Publication, and the General Armory, but this is the first reference that connects the blazon with a specific individual, and may explain Papworth's source)

Scan wanted re London Visitation 1687

strudwicke — 28 Mar 2006 1:46:23 GMT

Hi,
Back again with a further query in my search for an amigerous Strudwick.
I have been given the following reference, which is as close as I have come to the possible source of the STRUDWICK entry in Papworth.
Source: "The Visitation of London begun in 1687", Part 2, page 622, Harleian Society, London, 2004.
"Mr: Wm: Strudwick, Groscer" is listed in Holborn-Cross Precinct of Farringdon Ward Without: Parish of St Sepulchre in a return endorsed with the date 2 March 1687 (College of Arms, Phiipps Ms 13084, vol. 10, pp 129-135).
I am hoping someone is able to provide a scan of the relevant page entry in the London visitation for my records, or perhaps some more information on the information in the Phiipps MS. I understand that ' The return is one of those prepared under instructions from the Aldermen by the Beadles of each ward listing all the baronets, knights, esquires, gentlemen or "reputed gentlemen" and all other persons in their ward who used armorial bearings. These returns were delivered to Sir Henry St George to form the basis for his own lists of individuals to be summoned to appear before him at the Visitation. Few of those listed in the returns recorded pedigrees at the Visitation but this is presumably because the surviving returns owe their existence to having been retained until the wards in question were visited - and only about half the City was.", ...information provided to me by another helpful soul.
Cheers,
Marcus Strudwicke

Dumb Questions

Jon Foster — 27 Mar 2006 11:37:21 GMT

Sorry if this is too basic but how do you find out if your family ever had a coat of arms or crest? And then how do you find out what it was/is if they did have one?

Thanks, Jon.

Searching for Family Tartan

Sally Carter — 28 Mar 2006 12:07:50 GMT

Dear Fellow Genealogists: My son is getting married this summer and they are having a Scottish Wedding. Several family members are wearing kilts and their family tartans. I would like to honor my great grandmother Sallie McConnaughey. I have tried to research the family tartan but I seem to only find a connection to the Campbell tartan. Can anyone help me find the proper tartan for the McConaughey family line? Many thanks, Sally

silver spoons

Nancy in NZ — 14 Mar 2006 10:18:18 GMT

Hello, I'm a new subscriber. I've been researching my family history for some years but have not ventured into the heraldry field before. I'm doing things the wrong way round, I've already posted this message to the List, but am doing it again with a picture of the spoons.

My aunt, a great believer in "family", had some treasured silver spoons which have been passed down to me. They have a strange crest of a stylised fish or eel or dolphin (?) with a trident behind it. Recently I had a good look at the crest, and also the hallmarks - and discovered with a little help from Jackson's book on silver and gold marks of England, Scotland and Ireland that they were over 200 years old and were made by William Ward, a Dublin goldsmith, in 1802! What a find.

But - I am very puzzled as to the spoons' link to my very English family, named HUNT. None of the Hunts have ever been seafaring people, or involved in commerce of a seafaring nature. They came from a little village in Worcestershire, and my particular line emigrated to Australia in 1879 - two schoolteachers, with 8 children. The schoolteachers' fathers were a shoemaker and Welsh farmer, not wealthy people. Did the emigrants purchase the spoons second-hand? There are only 4, one smaller than the others, and 3 of them are well worn by a right handed person or persons. When the family arrived in Aust. there were 4 daughters aged 16, 15, 10 and 3 which correspond roughly to the degree of wear of the spoons.

I have checked books on heraldry for families with a crest similar to that described above (I can send a scanned picture on request) but found none; nor do families with my own family names have remotely similar crests.

Nancy in NZ

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Unknown coat of arms on a memorial, London, England

Robert Rogers — 9 Mar 2006 5:58:28 GMT

Does this disription of a coat of arms mean anything to anyone.

It is on an old stone memorial on a Communial Green in Abbey Road stratford, London E.15.

It is badly worn, but it is a Cevron with Chains on it, and three figures, in I think Argon. ie between the Cevronn at three points.

thanks

3 General Questions re Heraldry

Rebecca Garrlentini — 28 Feb 2006 12:58:33 GMT

I am just now getting into my families surnames and coat of arms research. I have a few questions that I cannot seen to find without someone wanting to charge me for the information. I am in hopes some kind soul here can help educate me without $ charge other than my deepest thanks for my heart. Thank you ever so much!

Question # 1 - Is Family Crest & Coat Of Arms the same thing?

# 2 - What does it mean when someone says " My Family was awarded a Coat Of Arms?" How does one get awarded a coat of arms and from whom?

# 3 - Is there a website (Link) to seeing many coat of arms and their meaning and being able to copy and paste without a charge.

Sincerely,
Rebecca

phelps coat of arms explanations

stacey bing — 19 Feb 2006 11:37:06 GMT

Thanks to everyone that has been helping me with this. It has been helpful. I do need more explanation, though, about the granters of arms info. that was sent. I don't quite understand the name changes that occured-why did men do this? The change looks as though it was Phelps and then changed to McDonnell. Was this done to inherit estates?

Of the descriptions under the general armory info. it looks like the phelps that has the lion rampant with fitchee crosses is the closest to the one I possess (I know, this doesn't mean it's the one I'm looking for, but it is the closest so far)
bing

old ring

Glenna Durr — 19 Feb 2006 2:35:38 GMT

While walking across the field not far from our house, my daughter found this ring. it has the coat of arms on either side and we would like to know what coat of arms it is. Do you know how we can find out?

old ring

Glenna — 22 Feb 2006 7:52:45 GMT

thanks for your answers, and you are likely right. it is a very plain shield. same exactly on both sides. and no mark anywhere of k. or year or anything. the top is fluted or ruffeled around the setting that is missing, a solid back under the setting and that is it. the band is thick and wide, likely 3/8 of a inch wide, the ring is very heavy. thanks again for your help. Glenna

Phelps Coat of Arms

bing — 14 Feb 2006 10:03:31 GMT

I enquired at the college of arms and unfortunately, at this time the cost to research the coat of arms found in my family is prohibitive. Thanks to all, though, for the information about coats of arms and crests, etc. I guess for now I'll have to be satisfied that at one time someone, somewhere in the family had it.
bing

Edmumd Joseph Phelps: graphic of arms attached, need info

bing — 31 Jan 2006 11:06:04 GMT

I am beginning to understand a little about crests and coat of arms although it is confusing. I am going to attempt to attach a picture of what I have-sorry it is such a bad copy but it's all I have. The name underneath, Edmund Joseph Phelps, I guess (??) would be who received it?? Only guessing...Can you explain more about the engravers engraving a portion of a full arms. I know the four generations I have been able to find have all been engravers. One worked on engraving bank notes for Sprague & co. Ltd. in 1883. Does this help at all? Looking forward to learning more!

How should I look for info. about family crests?

fyrguy6 — 26 Jan 2006 4:36:52 GMT

My family was awarded a family crest. I have a copy of it and have looked up it's meaning but am wondering which family member received it, when, and why exactly. Any help? Thanks-
stacey

GARLAND Crest - Coat of Arms

TeresaYarberHood2 — 26 Jul 2006 6:58:08 GMT

The Garland coat of arms has a two headed black eagle with a crown around it's neck... so I've been told. But I haven't been able to get a copy of it yet. Does anyone have one to share? Email me at teresayarber@aol.com Thanks!. Garland is my grandmother's side of my Tree in Unicoi County, TN, a descendant of Steven Garland.

Onuscheck/Onuschak coat of arms