Italian Nobility - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Who is an Italian noble?

criscione11 — 2009-11-01 22:37:47Z

If you are serious about tracking the noble side of your families, you must visit the Italian web sites that are dedicated for this purpose. Though they are all in Italian, good old babelfish will be able to translated and give you a flavor of the discussion regarding different family names. Here is a list of the few:

http://www.cognomiitaliani.org this gives you the origins and spelling variations of your name.

http://www.iagiforum.info/ This site will give you the different discussions regarding noble families - very informative.

http://cognome.alfemminile.com/w/cognomi/italia.html This site will give you (via census records) how many people have your surname in Italy and where these families are located.

http://www.antichefamiglie.net/index.html#A Very good for northern Italian family information (North West section of Italy near France).

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.regione.si...- Sorry for the Google web connection but I find this site hard to find. Good for looking up Sicilian nobility and their Coats of Arms

http://www.famiglia-nobile.com/ Another web site for basic information regarding Sicilian nobility.

http://www.collegio-araldico.it/italiano/collegio.htm This is the real McCoy, They will try and research your coat of arms if it is listed in the Italian “Book of Gold”

Hope this helps some of you.

Re: Who is an Italian noble?

mcvy7 — 2009-09-17 04:58:05Z

Alittle off topic but my son is an italian with the last name Noble as is his father and his father and so on.

Re: Who is an Italian noble?

CBdeL — 2009-08-05 05:13:07Z

Anyone interested in the Italian Nobility should check the following website:

http://www.regalis.com/reg/titles.htm

It is a very helpful guide full of factual information.

Bellalagrotta

cooltiger413 — 2009-07-31 13:03:36Z

In my family their is a little story, a scicilian baron, Bellalagrotta, had an affair with the maid, that produced an iligitiment child. My Great Great Great Grandfather, Anotnoio Pecorella. The Baron gave him to the peckorella family to take care of who was in vita at the time. We don't know when Antonio was born, but his son Gaspare was born in 1863 and died in 1947. We have no doubt thi story is true. The problem is Bellalagrotta dosn't exist. We think it might have been a nickname or a made up name because my family is very ashamed of this and dosn't like to mention it. If anyone can find bellalagrotta, or sombody who could be it, please tell.

Scutellaro Clan

criscione11 — 2009-06-14 22:18:24Z

I have done some surface research regarding my mother's family the Scutellaro's. The research has shown that in the 1500's a Giacomo Scutellari settled in Naples. The name was later changed to Scutellaro. The Scutellari's are directly related to the houses of Sforza and Pallavicino of Milan. Further, the Scutellari were to have held the title of Marquee in the city of Parma, and can trace their roots back to Oberto I. I know it is a long shot but I was curious of anyone had additional information. The interesting part of the story is that my great uncle (when they were alive) remembered that the name Scutellaro was change in the past; they also had in their position the original coat of arms, which was crested with a knight's helmet with three red plums. I have read that this can signify a high ranking nobleman.

Re: Anyone have info on the Venetian family Vendramin?

luigivendramin1 — 2009-04-18 23:15:27Z

Which period interest you?
I have many infos...
Can I write in italian?

Re: Who is an Italian noble?

markrubalcava — 2009-03-30 08:27:33Z

I have heard similiar stories which my grandfather had told my father which had been relayed to him by his father. The whole "Blood revenge" is true not only with peasant but also with nobility fighting amongst themselves for total power and complete control. The story is that twin brothers with our last name were weary of the battle for money and power so they decided to leave, one came to the U.S./California and the other brother ended up deep into Mexico/Mexico City.

Re: Who is an Italian noble?

criscione11 — 2009-03-10 01:13:34Z

My grand father was a descendent of Sicilian nobility. However, he and his two brothers never mention this fact to anyone not even their wives or children. The true story of our family tree was uncovered by accident year later, after their deaths. I had read that when Italian immigrant from noble families came to the United States they hide their heritage. The reason being that the nobility was so hated by the peasant class (especially in the south) that they feared social isolation or even blood revenge. I was curious if anyone had also heard of this fact. It does explain why some family have a hidden past.

Re: Who is an Italian noble?

purbrickfamily — 2009-02-23 11:04:41Z

This is an interesting point. Regardless of whether or not the Kingdom of Italy recognised the numerous preceding houses and families of Italian nobility, I believe that descendants from those noble houses or families still have a right to say that they are of noble descent.

That said, with the abolition of the Kingdom of Italy in 1946, surely all Italian nobility has also been abolished and therefore no claims can be made to land or titles as they do not exist anymore.

John Domenecko Volente

purbrickfamily — 2009-02-23 10:51:29Z

Hi! I'm hoping that someone linked to this group may be able to help me.

I've traced my ancestry to a man called John Domenecko Volente who married in the UK in 1813 and who, according to the 1841 census, came from "Foreign Parts" (believed to be Italy). 'Family legend' has it that he was the son of a noble who fled Italy after falling out with his father. I believe he was born c. 1784 but I don't know when he landed in the UK.

Can anyone help me in either tracing his Italian ancestors or confirming the 'legend'?

Many thanks
Kent
e-mail: purbrickfamily@ntlworld.com or kent.purbrick@ukaea.org.uk

Origin of Budacic family in the former Principality of Poglizza (Poljica)

EdeP — 2008-11-23 10:25:58Z

Hello again,

after long years of further search, I can be more precise, since I ve regognized that may family is descendant of family Budacic (Bodazza, Bodaza, Bodacia, Bodacic(h), Budacich, Bodatia, Bodazia).

Question:
Does anyone know, what the origin of the family with the name Bodazza (aka Bodaza, Bodacia, Bodacic(h), Budacic(h), Bodatia, Bodazia), for which it is known that they have been accepted as nobiles of Poglizza n 1483 (see article 96 of the Statute of Poljica) is?

Background information:
As far as I know a family with this surname existed as nobiles in Ragusa (Dubrovnik) but at least the male members, except Frater Marinus de Bodazza, where killed due to a revolution they failed with.

Possibly some of the family members somehow survived and moved to Poglizza. Maybe with help of Venice, since some of the Bodazza negotiated with Venice as diplomats from Ragusa.

Maybe the family members who survived flew to Venice and have there been accepted as venetian vasalls and have been send to Poljica to ensure venetian control.

Thanks in advance and kind regards,

EdeP

Re: Pezelj from Poglizza (Poljica) - Connection to families in Venice?

EdeP — 2008-11-22 17:58:18Z

Hello again,

after long years of further search, I can be more precise.

Question:
Does anyone know, what the origin of the family with the name Bodazza (aka Bodaza, Bodacia, Bodacic(h), Budacic(h), Bodatia), for which it is known that they have been accepted as nobiles of Poglizza n 1483 (see article 96 of the Statute of Poljica) is?

Background information:
As far as I know a family with this surname existed as nobiles in Ragusa but at least the male members, except Frater Marinus Bodazza, where killed due to a revolution they failed with.

Possibly some of the family members somehow survived and moved to Poglizza. Maybe with help of Venice, since some of the Bodazza negotiated with Venice as diplomats from Ragusa.

Thanks in advance and kind regards,

EdeP

Re: Marchese Of St Agata

janeswinburne — 2008-11-19 14:41:57Z

My husband relatives worked and lived at Midford castle in the 1900's It was joseph swinburne and his family I am trying to found anything I can about them and the family they worked for.

Re: Marchese Of St Agata

darknesseverfalling — 2008-09-12 17:08:59Z

My last name is Dotto, I've been looking everywhere for proof that any of the claims (such as the claim of nobility) in our family's geneology are true.

Re: Peter Carl Barnett Barnato or Barnato

bratpaklj — 2008-02-28 05:03:53Z

Barnett Barnato
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Barnett Barnato , 1852-97, South African financier, b. London. His name originally was Barney Isaacs; he first called himself Barney Barnato when he performed as a comedian. He went to South Africa in 1873 and made a fortune by buying worked-out diamond mines in the Kimberley area and mining the abandoned blue earth. He increased his fortune by speculation in diamond and gold mines until he was maneuvered by Cecil Rhodes into merging the Kimberley interests with Rhodes's De Beers interests. He was also plunged into Cape politics and served in the Parliament there. He committed suicide.

Re: Ziani de Venezia

tvorosmarty — 2008-02-21 03:05:09Z

Dear "homesteadlite". I'm very interested to hear from you about the Ziani family!!!!

Tibor

Re: Ziani de Venezia

homesteadlite — 2008-02-19 05:23:34Z

Dear Tibor:

Tried to e-mail you regarding this, but was unsuccessful. Please contact me; I am asking my family about this fascinating twist to our tale...

Re: Who is an Italian noble?

ianandsabina — 2008-02-07 03:32:26Z

My father's family are old nobility from Mantova and my father has the certificate etc from the govnt.

Does anybody know of the Amati-Buonaccorsi name outside of Italy? I only seem to find one or the other.

Thanks.

Re: Who is an Italian noble?

kitsunenekochibi — 2007-08-13 00:15:03Z

My family on my dad's side is nobility I guess. My GG-Grandpa was the Duke of Tuscuny.

de Liette Family of 1600's Versailles, France; and Italy

F0CUS0NINFINITY — 2007-05-27 06:07:25Z

I descend Michelle de Liette de Juzan of the King's cabins, Versallies, France; by her son, Mobile, Alabama, marine aide Maj. Pierre Gabriel de Juzan. He was kin to Canadian marine, aide Maj. Charles Pierre de Liette, both killed 1730's Battles of Ackia, Tupelo, Missisippi Military District. They bere kin to the de Tonty family of France (from Italy) and colonial America. The de Liettes and de Tonty's, in Paris, were called "Ancient Italians". The de Tonty family "invented" the de Tonty system of insurance.

Re: Who is "Marchese Dias Torqas Vicere Di Napoli"?

Hunter_Johnston — 2006-07-08 18:28:34Z

I can't identify him; however my "very limited" knowledge of Italian translates that as:
The Marquess Dias Torqas, Vicereoy (Governor) of Naples, Italy

You might try contacting a library in Naples and asking about the city's previous governors and thier history.

Re: Marchese Of St Agata

2006-06-18 00:52:08Z

As stated above, my last name is Dotto De Dauli. I live in Florida, however my family lives in Ragusa Sicily originally from Padova.

Don Sciopone di Sangro

pgiangaspero — 2006-05-14 19:59:03Z

I recently came across some information about a Duke of Casacalenda (listed as a Barone), who was listed as Sciopone di Sangro. It lists his posession, land, animals, palace for the year of 1742. I tried to find out what happen to him, I have read on some web-sites that he died in the late 1700's and his only son died in the early 1800's?

Re: Peter Carl Barnett Barnato or Barnato

jrt35_1 — 2006-04-13 20:00:22Z

What records do you have for him (like marriage information etc), I take it he stayed in SA. What makes you think he was registered in France?

No relation to the infamous Barney Barnato?

Peter Carl Barnett Barnato or Barnato

2006-03-12 19:59:08Z

We are trying to compile a family tree. My husbands father was Peter Carl Barnato. Born 1899. We understand that he had connections with Italian nobility...Bardon de Bourbon (or similar) He was disowned by his parents for not marrying the chosen bride...and all the finer details went to the grave with him. He was born in South Africa, evidently registered in France, but because we do not have parental details we cannot pursue further. He spoke of the film Bitter Rice being shot in the grounds of his family home....this was shot in the Piedmont area around 1949. Anyone with ANY information...please speak up!!

Sicilian Nobility

2006-03-03 17:25:43Z

I need some information on the House of the Kingdom of Two Sicily's. Before Sicily joine the Republic of Italy they were their own separate Kingdom with a monarchy

Re: Duke of Giovinazzo

M_Boscarato — 2006-03-03 00:35:45Z

Hi, www.paginebianche.it cognome Del Giudice dove Giovinazzo 3
106 Del Giudice in the provice of Bari.

Ziani de Venezia

2005-12-28 17:53:33Z

Would anyone know anything about the Ziani (Xiani) family from Venice. From what I know, our family is descended from the Marc'Antonio Ziani who moved to Vienna. Some paper was improperly recorded and became M.A.Xiani and the name became, officially, Maxiani - later Hungarianized to Maksziányi. My great grandmother, born in Budapest, retained some sort of title from Italy, was friends with King Umberto, and derived income from some sort of winery estate in Italy and travelled all over the world. Does anyone know what title the Ziani (Xiani's) could of had? Or would anyone know where I could begin to just start tracing back a tree? Nothing seems to be available for this family even though they were very important in Venetian History. Also..anyone know of why the X was replaced with a "Z" somehow? Thanks!!

Re: Duke of Giovinazzo

2005-12-16 00:27:51Z

That wasn't what I was looking for. I was hoping to find information about a Domenico Del Guidice who was Duke of Giovinazzo in the town of Giovinazzo. I think they were connected to the royalty in Spain.

Duke of Giovinazzo

2005-12-14 17:39:13Z

I came across the nobility in the town of Giovinazzo, near the town of Bari. I had found that there was a duke of Giovinazzo Domenico Del Guidice, Prince of Cellamare who was born in 1695 from the parents of Don Antonio Del Guidice and Donna Anna Camilla. Doen any know any more information about this nobility and what happened to them. I think the nobility ended with Domenico in 1770?

Re: Marchese Of St Agata

2005-11-29 10:21:44Z

Wow Thanks Felix,
You seem to be much better at this than me !! HeHe, at first I was determined not to stop until I had ascended the Italian throne !!!!! but soon realized its a bit hard to research
I have been trying for ages to legally connect the Nash's with the Marchesa but everywhere I turned I was told she had no children. I knew in my heart of hearts that she did have a relationship with my great grandad Mr Nash cos my grandma obviously knew this.The Weston-Super-Mare connection is very very interesting as my Grandma always used to talk to me of her fondness for this place and indeed she used to go on hols there although I never understood why and now I know. I phoned my dad this morning and her is going to ask his sister to try to fill in some gaps on this subject. Apparently Mr Nash was given a house-maybe a gatehouse or similar upon The Marchesa's death, which according to Yvonne was at Midford Castle and not Weston-Super-Mare. Did she have 2 houses ?? of the four sons, I don't know much except one was a cripple but a very accomplished painter, we have a photo of him in a wheelchair type thing with Mr Nash senior. We also have a beautiful painting of some fruit. Felix, I would love to talk some more to you. My e-mail is info@ribchestercatering.co.uk, I live near Preston.
Speak soon, Marc

Re: Marchese Of St Agata

2005-11-29 02:09:51Z

post script to my message,Marc says that Louisa had 4 children with her butler Mr Nash after Charles Conolly (Chas.Jn.Thos) died in 1871. She would have been 48 by then.The 1881 census shows her living singly with a plethora of servants inclding Wm Nash, (c42),Amelia M Nash (c26) and Jn.M Nash aged 1. In the 1861 census,she is at 1 Manilla Cres. Weston-super-Mare with Jane Conolly (50) her "step mother",widowed

Re: Marchese Of St Agata

2005-11-29 02:09:50Z

Re: Marchese Of St Agata

2005-11-21 06:25:38Z

There is an article in " Catholic Ancestor (CFHS), June 1998 (2) p61-4 on the Conollys of Midford Castle.I was interested in an italian servant called Marianna Sassi at Midford Castle in the 1851 census, from Italy; I have Sassi ancestors from Wigan from 1840 onwards.

Art history movie

2005-10-28 20:10:28Z

There's a new art history movie out recently on DVD about Modigliani and his life. He was Picasso's rival painter, a half italian, half Jewish man who ran into problems with his lover's father because of his heritage. It looks pretty interesting. I haven't seen it yet, but I've been over to the movie website: www.modiglianithemovie.com to check out the trailer and it looks pretty good. Has anyone had a chance to see the movie yet? Or even heard about it?

So Little Information to Go On

vickisalvoni — 2005-10-14 05:13:09Z

My great-grandmother was supposed to be in the Italian Nobility. I have so little information, not even her last name. She was about sixteen around 1900, because the family story says she was presented with a ball gown that was hand beaded and cost about $900 at the time. She was quoted as having said, "You expect me to wear THIS?!?!" and tore it to pieces with her bare hands.

Later she fell in love with a Roman commoner and married him in spite of her family's wishes. She was disowned. She and her husband moved to Chicago and opened an ice cream factory where they became quite wealthy. They returned with my grandmother to Italy and lived in high style - thumbing their noses at her family. But suddenly the money stopped coming. They returned to Chicago to find the factory boarded up and their business partner long gone with the money. My grandmother ended up begging in the streets of Chicago when she was 5 years old. My great-grandmother was said to have gone slightly mad and died not long after.

I checked with the Chicago Historical Society, and all they have on record for ice cream factories around that time with Italian sounding names is Giani Brothers, but that wouldn't be anything identifiable to her.

I wish I had more information, but my dad died when I was 10 and his mother (the one who begged as a child in Chicago) died within the year following. I have nobody else to ask for names, as they have all died long ago.

I was hoping someone out there had heard the story of the tempestuous young woman who tore up an expensive gown, married a commoner, and was disowned. It's such a romantic story, it would be nice to know if it were true.

Thanks to anyone who might have heard this and can respond.

Vicki

Del Angelica UPDATE

vickisalvoni — 2005-10-14 05:13:09Z

I know now that her last name was Del Angelica. She married a man by the name of Gini. I'm working on doing more research, but any help on Del Angelica would be appreciated!

-Vicki

Re: Del Angelica UPDATE

vickisalvoni — 2005-10-14 05:13:09Z

Well, that shows me. My information was wrong. Del Angelica was my Grandfather's mother, not my grandmother's mother. So all I know about her is that she married a man named Gini and they had an ice cream factory in Chicago. My grandmother was born in 1898, which means that's around the same time the ice cream factory was there...but the Historical Society says it was called Giani and not Gini. Sheesh. This is so complicated! That would put their marriage around the last half of the 1890's and her birth around the 1860's. So if I knew the nobility around the mid-1800's, that would be a start.

Vicki

Re: salvona

vickisalvoni — 2005-10-14 05:13:09Z

Hello. My maiden name is Salvoni. Your name probably came from the same source as mine, but I'm not completely sure. How far back are your records? I have a source that might be able to help you. Please see the Salvoni message board for more information on that story. I'll help where I can!

Vicki

Re: Authenticating a title for a Saladino

2005-09-16 09:22:11Z

http://www.regalis.com/reg/titles.htm and
http://www.regalis.com/reg/recognition.htm are good reading. I see somebody has already answered you fairly well here:

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ITALIAN-NOBILITY/2005-0...

What were the names of your immigrant ancestors? You should be able to find them in immigration records (ellis island, possibly) etc, and work out where in Sicily they were located, and then go back to find them in Italian records for that place. (The LDS church have filmed civil registration records for many locations)

Re: Venice

2005-09-06 13:11:39Z

Im sorry we can not help you, although my family has records of all the births marriages and nobility records none was from Venice, we had ours in Sicily, cause we My cousin Gloria and I have the records of these people, and I am happy we do, they kept journals... you may need to contact someone in Venice to help you out as we did in Sicily who knew of our families history.
ciao

Re: Venice

berlinerbear — 2005-09-05 03:27:48Z

it seems that when Napoleon invaded Venice in 1800+ he burned the "Golden Book" which had all marriages and births of the nobles recorded. I'm looking to make a connection to the MOROSINI of Venice, but all I know is from my Grandmother that the Family was from Venice , even though her grandfather, August MOROSINI, was born in 1803 in Germany. That's a long way and long time.

Re: Venice

DrMatt7609399 — 2005-08-22 17:51:09Z

I have some data on Sanudo family because it is my ancestry .Contact me if you want

Re: researching my title

2005-07-21 05:46:16Z

If this is Donald Angelina from Virginia, you are not entitled and you are trying to be notified...Get in touch with your brother Tello he knows new information that you are not aware of......

Authenticating a title for a Saladino

2005-07-13 23:08:46Z

Alright I have(like I'm sure a lot of people have) grown up hering about how my great grandfather and his parents had land and titles over in sicily before they moved to America. I've done a lot of research and finally found the Saladino name listed in Libro d'Oro della Nobilta Italiana, Enciclopedia Storico-Nobiliare Italiana , and on http://www.famiglia-nobile.com/ and http://www.castellammareonline.it/main3/nobili01.html

How can I go about authenticating the title and possibly claiming it?

Re: Origins of surname SCLAFANI (in detail up to 16th century)

2005-05-26 02:28:35Z

Hi, I have more on my Sclafani line, dating back to late 1500's Sciacca, Sicily. The names and dates come from the Sciacca, Agrigento, Sicily Church books. I am now at a dead -end. If anyone can be of assistance in finding the connection between my 10th great grandfather Giuseppe SCLAFANI and Matteo SCLAFANI, and from his father Giovanni (Antonio) SCLAFANI to descendants of Roger II, it would be deeply appreciated.

4th GGF, Luigi Sclafani, b. 13 Jun 1759, Sciacca, m. Calogera Guardino
5th GGF, Giuseppe Sclafani, b. abt. 1710, m. 1735, Sciacca(7 children)
6th GGF, Domenico Sclafani, b. abt. 1675, m. 1700, Sciacca
7th GGF, Pietro Sclafani, b. abt. 1645, m. 16 Nov 1667, Sciacca
8th GGF, Calogero Sclafani, b. 1621, m. Jan 1644
9th GGF, Pietro Sclafani, b. abt. 1584, m. Jan 1609, Sciacca
Among his sibilings were:
Girolamo Sclafani, m. 1611 & Angela Sclafani, m. 26 June 1596

10th GGF, Giuseppe Scllafani, b. abt. 1557, m. abt. 1577

Ciao,
Diana Sclafani
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sclafani_FamilyConnection/

Origins of surname SCLAFANI

HuntressDi57 — 2005-05-26 02:13:02Z

Hi, I was told that my SCLAFANI line, originated with either Roger I or Roger II (di Hauteville), King of Sicily circa 1087.
Would anyone happen to know were the connection is, of which took place prior to the late 11th century with Antonio (aka. Giovanni) SCLAFANI, of whom was the father of Matteo SCLAFANI.

Any assistance is deeply appreciated :)
-Diana Sclafani
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sclafani_FamilyConnection

Count Ranfone

2005-05-08 21:13:00Z

I saw this on a website and was wondering if anyone knows who Ranfone da Conza is? "Ranfone from Conza murdered the frank challenger" and there is a mention of a Count Ranfone "che videro l'eroico sacrificio del conte Ranfone ucciso a tradimento per mano nemica"

Count Ranfone

2005-05-08 21:12:58Z

researching my title

2005-04-22 08:09:15Z

i am a decendent of the torelli family from naples italy.and have known that my family is in some way related to the royal family of naples.our villa is located on land that was once part of the royal palace located in capodimonte.

i am trying to determine if i am entitle to a title and if so how i may formally obtain